Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Zero_Sum

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

If the (unpopular) president of 1 country, Macron, talks about a European army, this doesn't mean that there is anything even only remotely comparable to a consensus! It doesn't mean that the EU wants a European army - that is fake news!

As does Merkel
And lets be honest Germany & France are the 2 most influencial countries in the EU

phillw

Zero_Sum wrote: »

As does Merkel
And lets be honest Germany & France are the 2 most influencial countries in the EU

Fortunately the EU is a democracy.

As UK has always been against a European Army then I assume leave voters are all in favour of it, or they'd want to stay in the EU to make sure it doesn't happen.

wintersunshine

phillw wrote: »

I keep hearing that, but all I see are people pretending that we should already know why that would be madness rather than explaining

Because he's obsessed with things that aren't important to people like buying the water companies for a fortune- I mean we gives a s!

! Because he'll come for your pension. Because he'll come for your savings.

There is already capital flight because of Corbyn. Google it. The City truly are more scared of Corbyn than Brexit. And rightly so.

Marginal income tax rates stand at 60% in this country for the better paid - under Corbyn well you might as well stay at home....

SouthLondonUser

The expansion to Eastern Europe was greatly favoured by the UK, which saw it as a way to limit the influence of France and Germany. We can debate all we want on whether it was right or wrong, but it was not forced down our throat against our will - quite the opposite!

phillw

wintersunshine wrote: »

Because he's obsessed with things that aren't important to people like buying the water companies for a fortune- I mean we gives a s!! Because he'll come for your pension. Because he'll come for your savings.

A lot of people are not happy with the private utility companies profiteering.

I'm not sure I'd start with water companies, but there is some logic in having important companies owned by the public.

People get angry when there is talk about privatising the NHS, I don't see why it's a special case.

You're sounding a bit project fear.

wintersunshine

phillw wrote: »

A lot of people are not happy with the private utility companies profiteering.

I'm not sure I'd start with water companies, but there is some logic in having important companies owned by the public.

It'll cost billions. I don't think that's what people care about....there is better ways to spend people's hard earned taxes and it's just weird that he sees that as a priority.

!!!!!! spend billions on buying water companies. No. Build some houses.

Tromking

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

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Voting remain meant one thing: the status quo. No ambiguity possible.


Voting to leave could have meant many different and mutually exclusive things.



If you disagree with this self-evident banality, please explain.



Yes, a slight majority voted to leave. But what does that mean? Is there a majority to leave at any cost? To leave with no deal? To leave with May's deal? Or what? Do you know? I do not.

Oh I see.
Rather than view any 2nd vote as a confirmatory extension of the first, you want to completely air brush some of its ramifications from history. Interesting that you think the Remain vote is somehow unequivocal and not to be analysed, yet the opposite applies to the Leave vote.
You deny the existence of Remain voters who feel quite strongly that the first vote must enacted for the sake of democracy?
What’s it like to be so dismissive of democracy?
No wonder you’re so fond of the EU.

Enterprise_1701C

phillw wrote: »

Fortunately the EU is a democracy.

As UK has always been against a European Army then I assume leave voters are all in favour of it, or they'd want to stay in the EU to make sure it doesn't happen.

When the eu decide to do this there won't be a veto available, it will be done by qmv. The vetos will disappear soon anyway, the eu have a habit of finding ways to do what they want, goal posts have moved massively sine 1975.

SouthLondonUser

I don't deny there may be remainers who feel we should leave because of the referendum. But, for the billionth time, what does leaving mean? On what terms? What is there a mandate for??

I have previously explained in excruciating detail how the EU is not as undemocratic as Brexiters like to shout. But I have learn it is is pointless to discuss that with Brexiters who have a problem with the truth.

ukcarper

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

I don't deny there may be remainers who feel we should leave because of the referendum. But, for the billionth time, what does leaving mean? On what terms? What is there a mandate for??

I have previously explained in excruciating detail how the EU is not as undemocratic as Brexiters like to shout. But I have learn it is is pointless to discuss that with Brexiters who have a problem with the truth.

I am a remain voter who feels we should leave, I think the main reason people voted to leave were four freedoms ECJ and ability to make our own trade deals. As a reamain voter who feels we should leave I think at least some of those should be addressed. I suspect many leave voters would say they all should be addressed but the vote was close and I think a compromise is needed.