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Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

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  • SouthLondonUser
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    Tromking wrote: »
    There is a democratic imperative to honour the first vote. If there wasn’t the vote would’ve been cancelled months ago.

    And what was the first vote, exactly?

    If, in a household, 48% don't want to go on holiday, 26% want to go to Spain and 26% want to go to France, the clear choice with a clear majority is to stay put. Yes, 52% want to go somewhere, but there is no consensus on where!

    Do I need to list out all the things that were promised and didn't materialise? We'd hold all the cards, easy trade deals, etc etc...

    Do you know what the (slight) majority which voted for Brexit would have supported? I don't.
  • SouthLondonUser
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    lisyloo wrote: »
    Most of the brexit voters I know would go for no deal.
    They are successful intelligent business people and it’s not based on being anti-immigration it’s about being able to make our own rules.
    What are the European rules which most upset you, that you can't wait to get rid of, and why?

    How do they compare vs the lower bargaining power the UK would have by going it alone? Eg say we remove worker rights or the European privacy laws but then the American force chlorinated chicken down our throat - is that really taking back control?
  • lisyloo
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    edited 10 May 2019 at 4:39PM
    What are the European rules which most upset you, that you can't wait to get rid of, and why?

    How do they compare vs the lower bargaining power the UK would have by going it alone? Eg say we remove worker rights or the European privacy laws but then the American force chlorinated chicken down our throat - is that really taking back control?

    They don’t upset me at all I’m a remainer, but I’ll see if I can find out.

    The point was that these people are successful business people so can’t be dismissed as xenophobic thugs.
  • SouthLondonUser
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    BikingBud wrote: »
    Depends I suppose whether you drink a glass half full of one of the many UK based craft breweries finest IPAs or a glass half empty of poor tasteless continental lager.

    I don't like IPAs but love lager. Does this make me a traitor?

    I do wish British local breweries all the best, regardless of my very personal and subjective preferences. Maybe they don't export much abroad, I don't know.

    I am more worried about people like farmers and the impact of a no-deal on them; I seem to remember that 40% of lamb production is exported to the EU (or something like that - but you get the gist). What would happen to those people in case of no deal? Again, the answer has always been a deafening silence.
    BikingBud wrote: »
    Well you're certainly not lauding the positive aspects of many highly skilled and competent personnel who no doubt will get hacked off with staying in a country that does not value their worth and end up leaving.
    Sigh... The usual whataboutery, typical of those who cannot answer a straight question. Lauding and valuing has nothing to do with the real bargaining power of a country, nor will it (lauding and valuing) affect the odds of getting good trade deals.

    I can laud and value the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, and their resilience against all the horrors and brutality they have witnessed. It doesn't mean those countries would get a better trade deal than the EU.

    I can laud and value the fact that Greece is the cradle of Western Civilisation or that that Italians are renowned for their creativity and design skills, but none of that changes the fact that those countries are dwarfs compared to the large US - EU - China blocks, and would not be able to get comparable trade deals if they left the EU.

    So, to recap: no Brxiter seems to have an answer. Oh, how shocking...
  • wintersunshine
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    edited 10 May 2019 at 4:20PM
    lisyloo wrote: »
    Most of the brexit voters I know would go for no deal.
    They are successful intelligent business people and it’s not based on being anti-immigration it’s about being able to make our own rules.


    Funny that. I know loads of small business people and they are all raging at Brexiters because they jjust think they can dump this pile of carp on them and they will just get on with it.
  • lisyloo
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    Funny that. I know loads of small business people and they are all raging at Brexiters because they jjust think they can dump this pile of carp on them and they will just get on with it.

    So they dont like democracy? If it doesn’t go their way?

    I’m NOT a brexiteer but we did have a vote.
  • Thrugelmir
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    Funny that. I know loads of small business people and they are all raging at Brexiters because they jjust think they can dump this pile of carp on them and they will just get on with it.

    Many a business has been build in recent decades on cheap imports from Asia.
  • Tromking
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    And what was the first vote, exactly?

    If, in a household, 48% don't want to go on holiday, 26% want to go to Spain and 26% want to go to France, the clear choice with a clear majority is to stay put. Yes, 52% want to go somewhere, but there is no consensus on where!

    Do I need to list out all the things that were promised and didn't materialise? We'd hold all the cards, easy trade deals, etc etc...

    Do you know what the (slight) majority which voted for Brexit would have supported? I don't.

    Why haven’t you divvied up the 48% number who despite voting remain are adamant that for the sake of democracy the referendum result must be enacted without reference to another vote?
    “Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧
  • Enterprise_1701C
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    He wants to take us into the WTO with absolutely no trade deals with any other countries- NONE, NIL, ZILCH.

    And the audience were cheering him. He's actually very scary.

    We are not permitted to finalise any trade deals until we leave the eu, and yes, that is one of the rules I do not like.
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
  • SouthLondonUser
    SouthLondonUser Posts: 1,445 Forumite
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    Tromking wrote: »
    Why haven’t you divvied up the 48% number who despite voting remain are adamant that for the sake of democracy the referendum result must be enacted without reference to another vote?


    ???????????????????????????????????????


    Voting remain meant one thing: the status quo. No ambiguity possible.


    Voting to leave could have meant many different and mutually exclusive things.



    If you disagree with this self-evident banality, please explain.



    Yes, a slight majority voted to leave. But what does that mean? Is there a majority to leave at any cost? To leave with no deal? To leave with May's deal? Or what? Do you know? I do not.
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