Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

The question is simply asking for a confirmation before making an irreversible move.


If I try to delete a file from my computer, it asks me if I'm sure before it permanently erases it.



Is it so wrong to do the same for a much more important subject?


If you are so sure that others are sure, what's to lose?

There is a democratic imperative to honour the first vote. If there wasn’t the vote would’ve been cancelled months ago.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

There is a democratic imperative to honour the first vote. If there wasn’t the vote would’ve been cancelled months ago.

That doesn't mean There's no democratic imperative to double check it's still what people want before doing it.

I'd go as far as to say that acting blindingly and then asking is anti-democratic. The only reason you don't want to ask first is because you know what the answer will be and don't like it.

wintersunshine

setmefree2 wrote: »

Indeed, what's wrong with asking:


"Just before we tank the economy are you sure this is what you want?"



Why are Brexiters scared of the answer?

And it's one thing tanking our own economy, but tanking the economies of our neighbours - who does that? What sort of people would do that? It's sick.

wintersunshine

Tromking wrote: »

The question you pose is conjecture and based on a Remain narrative.

Nothing about the Brexit narrative has turned out to be true, so why should we believe you?

setmefree2

mayonnaise wrote: »

And I fully expect you to turn into a hard brexiteer again if Leave wins that one.

What do you mean by "hard" Brexit?

I'm happy to be in or I'm happy to be properly out (making out own trade deals, etc.)

Being Norway "plus" - that's just a carp version of everything.

Apparently, MPs will never vote for anything other than some sad version of Norway.



We may as well stay in.

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

Morning Moby,


Are you going for a proper Remain candidate in the EU elections or will you be backing the Brexit loving Corbyn?


Regards


smf2

Welcome back stranger! I am slightly torn for the reasons you give. I'm voting Labour though and am one of the 70-80% of members who will be voicing their views to force Corbyn towards a 'Peoples Vote'. I'm hoping Labour will be unable to do a deal with the tories for the reasons I gave in a post yesterday and the party will then move towards a Peoples Vote on the basis that May's version and the 'no deal' version of brexit are unacceptable.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

That doesn't mean There's no democratic imperative to double check it's still what people want before doing it.

I'd go as far as to say that acting blindingly and then asking is anti-democratic. The only reason you don't want to ask first is because you know what the answer will be and don't like it.

You’re going to have to show me the democratic imperative to hold another referendum. If there was, why with a 80% remain Parliament have they not seized on that opportunity and legislated for another referendum. They haven’t because the imperative does not exist.

mayonnaise

Tromking wrote: »

You’re going to have to show me the democratic imperative to hold another referendum. If there was, why with a 80% remain Parliament have they not seized on that opportunity and legislated for another referendum. They haven’t because the imperative does not exist.

Give it time, Tromking.
Once upon a time, just the mention of a transition period was considered heresy.
And look what happened to the 'no deal is better than a bad deal' mantra.
If I told you 2 years ago we would still be in the EU in May '19, you would have laughed it away.
Little steps...

Moby

Tromking wrote: »

I think most Leave voters have gleaned by now that those who want to reverse the 2016 referendum result are entirely relaxed about having another vote before the first one is truly enacted.
I haven’t watched the behind the scenes Brussels documentary yet, although I did see a trailer where it showed a female Verhofstadt acolyte toadying up to Big Guy saying “I love it, when you take on the Tories”.......Yuk!
Your boys Guy and Michel and the type of liberal European federalism they represent is on the wane, not because they’re being scapegoated but because the European people have lost faith in their ability to recognise the hope, aspirations and yes, fears of a continent.
Europe is changing and Brussels is hopelessly out of touch.

You shouldn't generalise about the 'European people' and the narrative that Brussels is 'out of touch' is meaningless unless you have a solution. By the way the EU has become more popular because of brexit: https://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/15/post-brexit-europeans-more-favorable-toward-eu/.
I say if you have a problem with it as it is now you change the institution from within while accepting we have the benefits of a huge market and continued international co-operation with our neighbours. Reform not withdrawal would be the positive answer.


The populism of the present will be a passing fad..... See Farage on Question Time last night? He rabble roused the audience with his betrayal narrative, pandering to their grievances and fear. He had no answers though and floundered badly when challenged on our future trade policy after brexit. He was even worse when asked his view on the declining number of GP's....(apparently in a part of Northampton, where the show was from) people were queuing 16 deep in the rain to get a GP app. and even then a lot of them never succeeded!
Farage is a one trick pony, he makes it easy for you by making it simple..... the EU is to blame for your ills.....putting bread on your table, getting a GP appointment, reducing crime, improving social care, finding somewhere good to live....don't worry about them.....once we're out of the EU things will be better! He's built a career on such lies.... and talking about democracy....do you think it's morally acceptable to put up candidates for and take money from an institution you are seeking to destroy?

Takedap

phillw wrote: »

It's not just german cars, Japanese cars are good quality too. Italians have some nice cars, but Lambourghinis catching fire isn't a sign of quality (although I'd still have one in a heartbeat)

Aren't Lambourghinis just Audis in fancy knickers?