Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

The EU. The trade deal they are working on is better than Switzerlands and so will take longer.

We can get a bad trade deal too with china if you're into instant gratification.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/-glass-half-full--rating-for-swiss-chinese-trade-deal/44427848

Is it better? For who? It cannot be better for both parties.

Instant gratification is not a route to a good deal, the graphic may indicate a level of immaturity and unfamiliarity on both parties. Moreover as we may have with the EU, remaining too long may lead to one party being undervalued and feeling that hey have been taken advantage of to the extent that they wish to refresh the outlook and see what other options are available.

BikingBud

Moby wrote: »

It's embarrassing how incompetent our side have been. It's a gruelling watch....part two on now!

Probably as incompetent as Parliament have been in delivering against their promise to the electorate. They cannot stay on message as nobody knows what the intent or the message is.

Simple for the the EU to say the UK must decide then sit back and laugh.

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

Probably as incompetent as Parliament have been in delivering against their promise to the electorate. They cannot stay on message as nobody knows what the intent or the message is.

Simple for the the EU to say the UK must decide then sit back and laugh.

Still banging the drum of betrayal I see. Personally, I can’t see how a second referendum to break the logjam disrespects democracy. But then, I have to confess, I have never had much time for the “sacred will of the people” argument, believing as I do that the “people” have no “will” as such.

There is just a majority on a particular day for a particular course of action that may prove, subsequently, to be unrealistic or wrong. If that’s the case, what’s the problem with thinking again? We do it all the time in life. What may have seemed like a good idea at the time turns out to be hopelessly wrong the more we dig into it. In such circumstances, only the unhinged continue to plough ahead, to “just get it done”.
From watching that programme, no matter what your politics are, you'll conclude that our Governance and parliamentary system are nothing to be proud of and speaking personally I feel more affinity with a Verhofstadt and Barnier than a Raab or May. The EU is being scapegoated due to xenophobia and grievances the responsibilty for which should lie much closer to home.

Moby

BikingBud wrote: »

Did you read the disclaimer?



So an opinionated SWAG?

Rubbish the research that doesn't concur with pre-existing prejudices. So predictable as a response. Whatever the caveats we can see the point and the authors thought it was worth publishing. So where is the brexit plan outlining our future as a prosperous outward looking economy, comfortable with our place in the world? Where is the positive leadership driving us forward. Do you support May's plan or will one of Raab, Boris, McVey, Mogg, Leadsom prove to have the qualities required to stand up to the EU. Perhaps more relevant, can you really see any of these blerts having the qualities to unite the country behind a brexit. Not going to happen is it. I say that brexit has been a highly negative, toxic process which has riven this country. Do you think that's a good starting point for our future non EU journey? I think we are involved in an act of self harm which will damage the future prospects of generations to come, while being led by the worst Govmt I have ever seen.

setmefree2

Morning Moby,


Are you going for a proper Remain candidate in the EU elections or will you be backing the Brexit loving Corbyn?


Regards


smf2

setmefree2

FWIW my journey.

I voted Remain.

Nevertheless, for awhile I thought that Davis, Fox, etc might deliver a half decent, not damaging to the economy, Brexit.

But then I realised what we were actually going to end up with is an even worse version of Norway.

So I matched with the million ( very posh protesters fyi) , signed the petition to revoke Article 50 and am intending to vote either Green or Lib Dem in the upcoming EU elections.

If/when we have a second ref I will vote Remain again.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

If that’s the case, what’s the problem with thinking again?.

Indeed, what's wrong with asking:


"Just before we tank the economy are you sure this is what you want?"



Why are Brexiters scared of the answer?

Tromking

Moby wrote: »

Still banging the drum of betrayal I see. Personally, I can’t see how a second referendum to break the logjam disrespects democracy. But then, I have to confess, I have never had much time for the “sacred will of the people” argument, believing as I do that the “people” have no “will” as such.

There is just a majority on a particular day for a particular course of action that may prove, subsequently, to be unrealistic or wrong. If that’s the case, what’s the problem with thinking again? We do it all the time in life. What may have seemed like a good idea at the time turns out to be hopelessly wrong the more we dig into it. In such circumstances, only the unhinged continue to plough ahead, to “just get it done”.
From watching that programme, no matter what your politics are, you'll conclude that our Governance and parliamentary system are nothing to be proud of and speaking personally I feel more affinity with a Verhofstadt and Barnier than a Raab or May. The EU is being scapegoated due to xenophobia and grievances the responsibilty for which should lie much closer to home.

I think most Leave voters have gleaned by now that those who want to reverse the 2016 referendum result are entirely relaxed about having another vote before the first one is truly enacted.
I haven’t watched the behind the scenes Brussels documentary yet, although I did see a trailer where it showed a female Verhofstadt acolyte toadying up to Big Guy saying “I love it, when you take on the Tories”.......Yuk!
Your boys Guy and Michel and the type of liberal European federalism they represent is on the wane, not because they’re being scapegoated but because the European people have lost faith in their ability to recognise the hope, aspirations and yes, fears of a continent.
Europe is changing and Brussels is hopelessly out of touch.

Tromking

setmefree2 wrote: »

Indeed, what's wrong with asking:


"Just before we tank the economy are you sure this is what you want to do?

The question you pose is conjecture and based on a Remain narrative.

Takedap

setmefree2 wrote: »

Indeed, what's wrong with asking:


"Just before we tank the economy are you sure this is what you want?"



Why are Brexiters scared of the answer?

Tromking wrote: »

The question you pose is conjecture and based on a Remain narrative.

The question is simply asking for a confirmation before making an irreversible move.


If I try to delete a file from my computer, it asks me if I'm sure before it permanently erases it.



Is it so wrong to do the same for a much more important subject?


If you are so sure that others are sure, what's to lose?