Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

StevieJ

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

It was not the eu that stopped the wars, it was the fact that Germany weren't allowed a proper army for ages. Yes, the eu has helped, but the UN is what has prevented was these last few years.



You have to have a full passport to nip over now, what we used to use were documents that were effectively passports that lasted a day.

But then, I would guess you can't remember the days before we were in the eu.

I don't remember those? There were passports that lasted for twelve months that you bought from the Post Office.

Takedap

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Of course all opinions are equal, one of the definitions of opinion is "a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge."

Nope. All opinions are NOT equal. You have the right to hold any opinion you wish but that does not make the opinion itself as valid as any other.


If you want to believe that the earth is flat or that ingesting a piece of keratin sources fron a rhino will give you an erection, that's fine.


However, it is not equal to an opinion that is based in reality. You just hope it is.

waamo

StevieJ wrote: »

I don't remember those? There were passports that lasted for twelve months that you bought from the Post Office.

The good old British Visitors Passport. They were scrapped due to poor security as they were easy to forge.

cogito

BobQ wrote: »

Talk about re-writing history. Heath took us into the EEC, Wilson gave the country a referendum. How is that selling us out.

The real changes that you do not like happened when the EU was formed in 1992. That was Thatcher's doing in negotiating the Maastrict Treaty which Major approved.

In 1975 there was great unity in all parties on Remaining. The opposition as usual were those on the far left and far right. Seem familiar?

I'm surprised nobody has challenged this nonsense. The one rewriting history is you.

Thatcher was completely opposed to Maastricht as she made perfectly clear in her speech in Bruges in 1988. She ceased to be PM in 1990 when the Treaty barely existed as a draft and made clear in her speech in the HoL that she would never have signed it.

Enterprise_1701C

Takedap wrote: »

Nope. All opinions are NOT equal. You have the right to hold any opinion you wish but that does not make the opinion itself as valid as any other.


If you want to believe that the earth is flat or that ingesting a piece of keratin sources fron a rhino will give you an erection, that's fine.


However, it is not equal to an opinion that is based in reality. You just hope it is.

All opinions are equal, whether they are based on fact or otherwise. Galileo was ridiculed for his opinion that the earth revolved around the sun of course he was later proven to be correct.

Not everything that is, in your opinion, based on 'reality' truly is so.

ben501

Takedap wrote: »

Nope. All opinions are NOT equal. You have the right to hold any opinion you wish but that does not make the opinion itself as valid as any other.

Takedap wrote: »

However, it is not equal to an opinion that is based in reality. You just hope it is.

But who decides what is fact & what is simply opinion?

Takedap

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

All opinions are equal, whether they are based on fact or otherwise. Galileo was ridiculed for his opinion that the earth revolved around the sun of course he was later proven to be correct.

Not everything that is, in your opinion, based on 'reality' truly is so.

Once again you miss the point completely. We are not talking about the nature of reality. Galileo's findings were not an opinion. They were the result of observation & calculation. (Actually, they were the end point of a theory proposed by several ancient Greek scholars & were probably held back for centuries by religion but that's a different subject)


Opinions have a subjective element which separates them from facts. If we were talking about facts then it would not matter where the information had come from, so long as it was correct.


I'm not going to get into a long philosophical argument but try Googling "Are all opinions equal" & get back to me when you find a credible source that agrees with you.

Takedap

ben501 wrote: »

But who decides what is fact & what is simply opinion?

The last paragraph of your meme sums it up perfectly.

cogito

Takedap wrote: »

The last paragraph of your meme sums it up perfectly.

So when remainers insist that Brexit will be a disaster, are they offering an opinion or quoting a fact?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

cogito wrote: »

So when remainers insist that Brexit will be a disaster, are they offering an opinion or quoting a fact?

If they say Brexit 'will be' a disaster then that's an opinion.

If they note that the Brexit process to date 'has been' a disaster then that's a fact.