Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

ben501

mayonnaise wrote: »

There are no benefits of the Brexit trend.

PS : And that's a fact, not opinion.

No. That is your opinion, based on your limited views.


For the people who have benefited from reduced immigration, or any other factors, their opinion may well be that the process so far has been a great benefit. Heck, even some foreigners may like it. Worried about the outcome they were making plans to move back to their native land, but the boss gave them a generous pay rise to convince them to stay.
There are probably a multitude of reasons why the process can be viewed as a success. You'll have to try better if you want to pass it off as a FACT.


Not saying I consider it a success in any way, but that's still just my view.



Careful trying to state FACTS. You may get mistaken for another AE who loved them:rotfl:

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

I've never heard anyone suggest zero immigration, more of a wish to establish a semblance of control.

It depends on what you mean by "zero immigration".
You must have missed the shy racist party calling for neutral immigration in the last election https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/39842753

cogito wrote: »

So when remainers insist that Brexit will be a disaster, are they offering an opinion or quoting a fact?

I don't think brexit will be a disaster. I just googled the definition & "a sudden accident or a natural catastrophe that causes great damage or loss of life" doesn't describe it at all.

I think it will be a slow and steady erosion of wealth and rights (for everyone except farage, rees mogg, gove, etc) and over a long period of time create a country that is much worse off both financially and how we feel about ourselves and others. A disaster would be better, because it would be over and done with. Rees Mogg predicts that you won't be able to judge whether brexit has left us better off for 50 years, which means that even he knows that there is going to be a lot of pain that we will need to endure before there is any payoff at all.

It's taken three years and the signs are already showing that this will be true, the economy has been kept afloat by people stock piling & it should be obvious that is a short term thing.

While not everything going wrong in the country can be blamed on brexit, the solution to most of the non brexit problems is membership of the EU.

The arrogance that we need to leave the EU to make our own trade deals sounds like we believe we can do a better job without them. Like a soldier getting out of his tank to fight hand to hand because he disagrees with the tank commander.

The referendum vote is like half the country deciding they want to go on holiday to dubai for six months, without any idea how they would pay for it and not realising that when they get there they can't drink any alcohol. Then expecting Dubai to change their laws and not charge them any money, just because their will needs to be respected.

ben501 wrote: »

but the boss gave them a generous pay rise to convince them to stay.
There are probably a multitude of reasons why the process can be viewed as a success. You'll have to try better if you want to pass it off as a FACT.

Is that hypothetical or actually happening. I would say that increasing inflation to prevent EU citizens leaving is a problem for the majority, so brexit will have not been a success. One of the main successes of EU membership is that it solved the inflation problem.

I have never claimed that there won't be winners of out brexit, just that it's unlikely to be any of the people arguing for brexit on this thread or the great number of people who are red faced we haven't left yet.

I certainly don't think many leavers would see brexit is a success if their food, fuel & rent increases but immigrants got a pay rise.

lisyloo

phillw wrote: »

It depends on what you mean by "zero immigration".
You must have missed the shy racist party calling for neutral immigration in the last election https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/39842753

There’s a big difference (about 1/3rd million) between zero migration and neutral migration.

Takedap

lisyloo wrote: »

There’s a big difference (about 1/3rd million) between zero migration and neutral migration.

Correct but I don't think that a lot of hard core Brexit supporters will be too pleased with the shift towards non-EU migration.

ben501

phillw wrote: »

Is that hypothetical or actually happening.

I have never claimed that there won't be winners of out brexit, just that it's unlikely to be any of the people arguing for brexit on this thread or the great number of people who are red faced we haven't left yet.

Purely hypothetical in this case, simply to highlight yet another generalising error.


Other than that I'm making no claims.

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

There’s a big difference (about 1/3rd million) between zero migration and neutral migration.

There isn't a big difference. If no EU citizens leave, then no new ones come.

Some people on your side are trying to encourage them to leave by harassing them.

lisyloo

Takedap wrote: »

Correct but I don't think that a lot of hard core Brexit supporters will be too pleased with the shift towards non-EU migration.

I wonder who they think will nurse them (or GP or consultant).

phillw

lisyloo wrote: »

I wonder who they think will nurse them (or GP or consultant).

Most leave voters I know are upset if they can't be treated by a white british doctor anyway.

Theresa May already has the Go Home vans on standby https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/04/jeremy-hunt-accused-devaluing-contribution-foreign-doctors-to-uk

StevieJ

Nice one! The Moggsters new local councillor is a LibDem

Congratulations to Cllr Dave Wood, who moments ago beat B&NES council leader Tim Warren. He’s now @Jacob_Rees_Mogg’s local councillor! The start of a very good night in Bath! #LocalElections2019pic.twitter.com/90h7uWeFpc

https://latest-today-news.com/2019/05/03/jacob-rees-mogg-now-has-a-lib-dem-councillor/

Takedap

The local elections seem to be showing a large swing away from the Conservative & Labour parties AND away from UKIP with the anti-Brexit LibDems & Green parties picking up most of the slack.


Yet Theresa May is interpreting this as a need to accelerate Brexit?