Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

lisyloo

phillw wrote: »

There isn't a big difference. If no EU citizens leave, then no new ones come.

Some people on your side are trying to encourage them to leave by harassing them.

What do you mean by “your side”.
I’m a remainder and pro-immigration.

Can you clarify please.
Are remainers harassing immigrants to leave? Where? Do you have a link?

SouthLondonUser

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

We were not allowed a vote to join the eu. They did their normal trick of saying that all the little details were not treaty changes so that, over time, the eec changed into the monstrous behemouth that is now the eu. They figured that if they didn't say anything we would not notice.

The worst thing is that it was known in 1975 that the eu intended to go this way, but the government of the time and the eu decided to keep it from us.

What, exactly, was supposedly hidden from voters back then, and how?

It is usually hard to predict what will happen in politics over the next 6 months.

Are you saying that, in 1975, someone (who? how?) knew precisely what would have happened over the next DECADES? I want that crystal ball!

Also, being part of NATO means waging war against whoever attacks another member country. Against that, whatever 'loss of sovereignty' you misguidedly think is the result of being in the EU is small change!

Finally, those who love to talk about 'sovereignty' should remember that being part of the EU gives us a much greater bargaining power than we'd have if we were negotiating trade deals alone.

When the EU negotiates a deal with the US, the EU can tell the US: no chlorinated chicken. Our national health services will continue to buy drugs centrally and be price setters rather than price takers. Etc. Will the UK, alone, be able to do the same?

Yes, I know the UK won two world wars and had an empire, as every old pro-Brexit person i stumble upon loves to remind me, but how is this relevant?

SouthLondonUser

Herzlos wrote: »

I wasn't even born in 1975, so I can't comment, sorry. But now, ask any 10 remainers what remaining means and you'll get mostly the same.answer. ask 10 leavers and get 10 different answers.

Even the 2 main leavers in the cabinet can't agree whether to go for zero tariffs to kill of local industry bit get cheap foreign stuff, or whether to keep tariffs high to protect industry and drive up prices. There's no consensus on anything. No-one knows what brexit will look like and some like Farage don't seem to have any opinion on what it should look like.

Exactly. There may have been a slight majority in favour of leaving, but there has NEVER been any CLEAR majority on HOW to leave. The one, clear choice which has always had a majority has always been to remain.

If 48% of your family wants to stay put and 52% want to go on holiday, but that 52% cannot reach on agreement on where exactly to go, the option which has the majority is staying.

cogito

phillw wrote: »

Most leave voters I know are upset if they can't be treated by a white british doctor anyway.

How many do you know? About one at a guess.

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

I wonder who they think will nurse them (or GP or consultant).

More to the question who is going to pay to train all these highly speclialist people. There's not a magical conveyor belt from overseas. The more we source the less that are left behind. All too easy to make something some elses problem. Defeats the whole object of a single unity .

Enterprise_1701C

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

What, exactly, was supposedly hidden from voters back then, and how?

It is usually hard to predict what will happen in politics over the next 6 months.

Are you saying that, in 1975, someone (who? how?) knew precisely what would have happened over the next DECADES? I want that crystal ball!

Also, being part of NATO means waging war against whoever attacks another member country. Against that, whatever 'loss of sovereignty' you misguidedly think is the result of being in the EU is small change!

Finally, those who love to talk about 'sovereignty' should remember that being part of the EU gives us a much greater bargaining power than we'd have if we were negotiating trade deals alone.

When the EU negotiates a deal with the US, the EU can tell the US: no chlorinated chicken. Our national health services will continue to buy drugs centrally and be price setters rather than price takers. Etc. Will the UK, alone, be able to do the same?

Yes, I know the UK won two world wars and had an empire, as every old pro-Brexit person i stumble upon loves to remind me, but how is this relevant?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-document-damned-Britain-EU-membership

LHW99

And for those who prefer not to read the Express, the original document is here
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/acft/FCO+30+1048.pdf

phillw

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/883540/FCO-30-1048-Brexit-EU-secret-document-damned-Britain-EU-membership

So? Some of us aren't obsessed with flag waving as it doesn't gain us anything.

While you're bust waving your union flags with all your might, the architects of brexit are just taking your wealth from under your noses. That is the real story.

We could have switched to the euro if it weren't for the mouth breathers.

Patriotism should be reserved for sporting events

waamo

LHW99 wrote: »

And for those who prefer not to read the Express, the original document is here
https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/acft/FCO+30+1048.pdf

I do like the bit in the Express that says "reading between the lines...."

Is that newspeak for "we made this up"?

Thrugelmir

SouthLondonUser wrote: »

Finally, those who love to talk about 'sovereignty' should remember that being part of the EU gives us a much greater bargaining power than we'd have if we were negotiating trade deals alone.

Perhaps you've missed the developing trend. With the evolution of new manufacturing processes. Bombardier (Canada) and Honda (Japan) retraction and consolidation of operations to home territory.