Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

The point was about politicians with little experience & no accountability.



If the UK economy hits the rocks, do you think UKIP (or any of the other Leave promoters) will hold their hands up & admit they were wrong?


Or blame Remainers because they didn't have "faith"??

Mine was a comment on the general lack of accountability inherent in EU political structures. You seem to be wobbling on about UKIP.

This whole process is about people making a judgement call on what’s best for Britain’s future. What ever way it goes there’s no hiding place for both standpoints.

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

Mine was a comment on the general lack of accountability inherent in EU political structures. You seem to be wobbling on about UKIP.

Not sure what "wobbling on" means.....


Is it like putting misquotes in your signature so it appears on every post?

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

Not sure what "wobbling on" means.....

In this case it means trying to shoehorn in a comment about a political party you obviously have an antipathy for and it not really making sense.

Takedap wrote: »

Is it like putting misquotes in your signature so it appears on every post?

I’ve been challenged on that before, you’re welcome to have crack yourself.

cogito

Takedap wrote: »

An excellent description of UKIP.

Are you being serious? They will get democratic accountability if they have MEPs elected. Unlike the Junckers of this world.

Takedap

cogito wrote: »

Are you being serious? They will get democratic accountability if they have MEPs elected. Unlike the Junckers of this world.

That'll be the Junckers who was the longest serving head of a national government in the EU?

cogito

Takedap wrote: »

Sadly, probably true. What's needed is a central rallying point rather than parties splitting the Remain vote. And possibly more seriously, a way of actually getting people into the voting booths. The Government don't want a second referendum but the people could make this it.

The LibDems invited the Tiggers to join an alliance with them but the Tiggers refused. But when people do treat the vote as a second referendum, will you accept the result even if you don’t like it? Somehow, I think not.

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

I’ve been challenged on that before, you’re welcome to have crack yourself.

Thanks for giving me your permission.



The Churchill "open sea" quote is from the eve of The D Day landings when Europe was torn apart by war so hardly unlikely to be refering to a united Europe.

A better example would be from 1963 when he said [FONT=&quot]“The future of Europe if Britain were to be excluded is black indeed.[/FONT]
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His Grandson, Sir Nicholas Soames (Who probably knew him better than you or I) told The Independent newspaper [FONT=&quot]“Winston Churchill was a profound believer in the values of European co-operation and the need for it, and I am very disappointed to see these people twisting his views to suit their own ends.”
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[FONT=&quot]With regards to the other quote, I've typed it into Google & cannot find any links to De Gaulle. I am however ready to stand corrected if you can provide such a link.[/FONT]


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Takedap

cogito wrote: »

The LibDems invited the Tiggers to join an alliance with them but the Tiggers refused. But when people do treat the vote as a second referendum, will you accept the result even if you don’t like it? Somehow, I think not.

It sort of depends on how the "result" would be interpreted. In the last GE, any vote along traditional party lines is now being touted as being Pro-Brexit regardless of whether or not that was what the voter intended.

cogito

Takedap wrote: »

It sort of depends on how the "result" would be interpreted. In the last GE, any vote along traditional party lines is now being touted as being Pro-Brexit regardless of whether or not that was what the voter intended.

Well, we do know how the remain camp interpreted the result of the last referendum. People didn't know what they were voting for blah, blah blah. What will the excuse be next time?

Takedap

cogito wrote: »

Well, we do know how the remain camp interpreted the result of the last referendum. People didn't know what they were voting for blah, blah blah. What will the excuse be next time?

Of course everyone knew exactly what they were voting for.



BTW, what was it? I thought it is the disagreement about what it meant that is causing all the fuss?