Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

I could argue that we've had an amazing 40 years

Perhaps for many the party ended some years ago. A very different world now. 40 years ago. China wasn't even of the map in economic terms. Days of European dominance are over.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

China wasn't even of the map in economic terms. Days of European dominance are over.

If you voted to leave because of this then you're going to be disappointed. If you think it's just some argument that will persuade me then European dominance will last much longer than any dominance the UK tries to assert.

China is going to be going through some difficult times as their workers fight for more rights and they do more to clean up their pollution etc. They will become more similar to the EU and they will likely do a really good trade deal.

We're more likely to get locked out of that as we're so small. We've launched the life boat and it's upturned, meanwhile the ship isn't going to sink and is sailing off into prosperity.

mayonnaise

‘Traitors’: Homes with Labour, Lib Dems and Green posters vandalised in suspected Brexit-related attacks

The more I hear about the actions of the brextremist death cult, the more I'm convinced I was on the right side of history when I proudly voted Remain.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/local-elections-lewes-vandalised-posters-brexit-graffiti-traitors-a8890046.html

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps for many the party ended some years ago. A very different world now. 40 years ago. China wasn't even of the map in economic terms. Days of European dominance are over.

So are you proposing that in an era of superstates, we instead go it alone? Or are you thinking we should try and partner up with China?


The world is very difference from 40 years ago, which is why the EEC evolved into the EU and why we're so much better off for it.

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

So are you proposing that in an era of superstates, we instead go it alone? Or are you thinking we should try and partner up with China?


The world is very difference from 40 years ago, which is why the EEC evolved into the EU and why we're so much better off for it.

What era of superstates, have I missed something?
The only issue for the UK at the moment is whether we uphold a democratic decision to leave a large trading bloc that has pretensions on becoming a supranational political entity in the not to distant future.
You do, perhaps unwittingly bring up an interesting subject. This whole post-democratic Brexit era has uncovered a great deal of the populace who view the nation state as a tad passe and are seemingly seeing comfort in being led by a bunch of political appointees with little or no democratic accountability.

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

You do, perhaps unwittingly bring up an interesting subject. This whole post-democratic Brexit era has uncovered a great deal of the populace who view the nation state as a tad passe and are seemingly seeing comfort in being led by a bunch of political appointees with little or no democratic accountability.

An excellent description of UKIP.

Takedap

phillw wrote: »

The council and european elections are going to be interesting, it's certainly going to be a landslide for the brexit parties.

Sadly, probably true. What's needed is a central rallying point rather than parties splitting the Remain vote. And possibly more seriously, a way of actually getting people into the voting booths. The Government don't want a second referendum but the people could make this it.

BikingBud

phillw wrote: »

I could argue that we've had an amazing 40 years and if the 52% hadn't sold us out, we could have had another 40 years. There is far more evidence to support that than your viewpoint.

As I am certain there are many who would argue that we had a terrible 40 years. We have had multiple wars that wasted many lives and many billions of pounds or dollars depending upon which monetary unit you may wish to apply.

We, nations and individuals, have taken on unsustainable and crippling amounts of debt and left our future generations with very little scope to establish the same domestic and social context we have been fortunate to enjoy.

The tome bomb is ticking, you can see that throughout the threads on this forum alone. People will soon realise the emperor is naked!

Tromking

Takedap wrote: »

An excellent description of UKIP.

Hardly.
For good or ill, UKIP only have traction because people vote for them.

Takedap

Tromking wrote: »

Hardly.
For good or ill, UKIP only have traction because people vote for them.

The point was about politicians with little experience & no accountability.



If the UK economy hits the rocks, do you think UKIP (or any of the other Leave promoters) will hold their hands up & admit they were wrong?


Or blame Remainers because they didn't have "faith"??