Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

At what cost? Under what EU terms?

At a cost considerably less than having No Deal and WTO.

The point is that we do not know because May has refused to even negotiate on it. This is the whole problem. Its a bit like a group of Londoners voting to go down to Brighton for the weekend and being told by the organiser that they have to travel via Manchester, that being the only way of getting there safely.

BobQ

AG47 wrote: »

It’s goign to be no deal on April 12

TM will be happy so she can say I told you that you should’ve listened to me. She won’t be blamed, but can quite confidently say she did here best but her hands were tied.

Between a rock and a Hard place

Parliament has voted clearly against leaving without a deal.If we do leave without a deal May will definitely be blamed. If not immediately, as soon as unemployment rises,and prices rise.

TM seems to care about her place in history, will be reviled more than Thatcher or Blair. Disgruntled of Sunderland will complain about loss of jobs and prices and disgruntled of Boston will complain about being swamped by Australians and Indians. But they will all blame May.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Parliament has voted clearly against leaving without a deal.

Not in the power of the HoC to dictate the terms of departure. Negotiation is all about holding ones nerve. Not caving in at the earliest opportunity.

TM seems to care about her place in history, will be reviled more than Thatcher or Blair. Disgruntled of Sunderland will complain about loss of jobs and prices and disgruntled of Boston will complain about being swamped by Australians and Indians. But they will all blame May.

Where's Brown in your list. Longest serving minister of the lot. Without doubt the worst as well. Financial journalists aren't equipped to run entire economies.

Herzlos

HoC can dictate whatever it wants as long as there's a motion and majority. That's literally what it's there for.

Up until recently "No deal" was a terrible bluff because everyone knew it was never going to happen. Now it's hard to tell what's going on, but it could easily happen by accident now.

LHW99

HoC can dictate whatever it wants as long as there's a motion and majority. That's literally what it's there for.

It can also vote for whatever deal it finally decides it wants - but there is no absolute guarantee that the EU will agree.

BikingBud

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-47759208

I wonder how many more will be held directly accountable.

Thrugelmir

LHW99 wrote: »

It can also vote for whatever deal it finally decides it wants - but there is no absolute guarantee that the EU will agree.

The EU aren't negotiating currently. Whatever the UK "wants", will have to come in the form of concessions in other areas.

Arklight

The thread's Brexiters appear to have gone very quiet.

Come on Brexiters, tell us what's going to happen now. You've spent 3 years telling us all what a magnificent success this was going to be, how the EU are going to roll over and give us everything we want, how we hold all the cards, and how anyone who thought differently was a stupid remoaner.

Don't run away now it's all going so well.

:rotfl:

Arklight

Latest, EU will give the UK indefinite extension to hold a second referendum.

A referendum which will return a Remain vote. But at what cost?

BRINO is the best worst outcome now. We lose 100% of the influence we had, but retain most of the benefits of membership.

The majority of Brexit wanters, to be brutally frank, won't really bother to try and understand what has happened.

They'll see a star is missing from the EU flag, and that the UK is no longer listed as a member state. They'll open a Telegraph article about it, see it's paywalled then open a guardian article and give up when they realise it's 4 pages long.

And that'll be their Brexit done.

Tromking

Arklight wrote: »

Latest, EU will give the UK indefinite extension to hold a second referendum.

A referendum which will return a Remain vote. But at what cost?

BRINO is the best worst outcome now. We lose 100% of the influence we had, but retain most of the benefits of membership.

The majority of Brexit wanters, to be brutally frank, won't really bother to try and understand what has happened.

They'll see a star is missing from the EU flag, and that the UK is no longer listed as a member state. They'll open a Telegraph article about it, see it's paywalled then open a guardian article and give up when they realise it's 4 pages long.

And that'll be their Brexit done.

Your obsession with your perceived ideas on the motivations of Leave voters is now bordering on the pathological. It may be time for you to admit that your colourful descriptions of those of us who just had the temerity to not share your view on EU membership is probably just a anger displacement exercise on your part.
Seek help Arky, there’s plenty out there.