Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

If, as you say, it all comes down to price, and all regulations are out the window (because we can't check them), how long do you think it'll take squeezed companies to buy in the cheaper meat?

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Meat eaters are stuffed, longer term. It's just a case of rising demand vs limited resources.

If you want to control the price of your food, do things like ... more veg & more of your own prep.

I'm not sure why you think the current cheap end has any quality...I would suggest not visiting a production floor in that case.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Why weren't Labours proposals not leaving? Because they want to remain in a customs union, and that doesn't satisfy your idea of what Leave means? Almost anything between no deal and no brexit satisfy leaving. Unfortunately, they are all excluded by Mays red lines.

As I understand they want to stay in customs union and single market although they are a bit vague which means we won't be able to make our own trade deals and will be subject to four freedoms and ECJ although they claim different talk about unicorns.

I can clearly understand the EUs position they have the impression that there is a possibility that we will reverse the decision failing that Parliament will prevent us leaving without a deal therefore they do not need to make concessions they feel uncomfortable with.

BikingBud

Herzlos wrote: »

You're saying 17m people here to make it sound like an impossibly big number. Why don't you use the percentages?


You're saying you can't ignore the wishes of 51.9%, I contest that a no-deal brexit is still ignoring the wishes of almost all of those 51.9% because none of their concerns (whatever they are, we haven't asked) will be addressed. So you're going to upset almost all of them.

So still the majority then?

Herzlos wrote: »

Remainers have spent nearly 3 years trying to find a compromise that'll make Leavers happy, but Leavers don't generally seem to know what they want, or understand why the few things they ask for aren't possible (like the cake-and-eat-it Brexit).

Why do retainers think that anybody that voted leave wants a compromise? The question was stay or go. The vote was to go. No mention of "cake and eat it brexit", what ever that may be:question:

Herzlos wrote: »

May is doing a pretty terrible job of compromise, in that's she's found a deal everyone hates. She needs to decide who she's going to upset and get on with it.

No Parliament, our servants, are frustrating the efforts of the Prime Minister in delivering what the electorate voted for and they agreed to deliver by enacting Article 50.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

People might come to realise the error of voting leave but the responsibility of that is theirs.

Oh well that's all right then, so we should let the country collapse to give them the time to figure out they were seduced by the worst of humanity.

BikingBud wrote: »

Why do retainers think that anybody that voted leave wants a compromise? The question was stay or go. The vote was to go. No mention of "cake and eat it brexit", what ever that may be:question:

You have to have a compromise because only half the country voted for leave & they did it on the promise of cake and eat it/£350 million for the NHS/no foreigners stealing jobs/no foreigners telling you what to do/no unintended consequences

If you honestly thing that people voted to leave because they wanted to be poorer, then you may be suffering from delusion.

enthusiasticsaver

So the saga goes on and we seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If the vote for leaving with no deal is rejected as most think it will be then I am not sure what the point is of the vote tomorrow. Even if parliament agree to ask for an extension what will change in the next few months to make the EU think it is worth accommodating us even further? If they decline do we leave with no deal even though the mps voted against that or revoke A50? There are EU elections in May when we are in a holding place between in and out. Do we field candidates for that?


I think it is fairly certain that not everyone will be happy and do government think that enacting Article 50 is what the leave voters want and crash out without a deal even though they know it is bad for the country? Which is paramount? Do our mps act in the best interest of the country or do they consider fulfilling the referendum result is more important? I think considering the vote was so close and many may well have changed their minds since we have heard nothing but Brexit for the last three years and may be a little more informed now then a second referendum may be on the cards.

Personally I wish the mps would do what we elected them for and act in the best interest of the country and not their party and certainly not the extreme wings like the ERG. Revoke A50. We do not need the EUs permission to do that. Or actually I wish the referendum had not even been offered in the first place. We elect mps to run our country so why ask the voting public in an x factor style vote, many of which are ill informed to decide on something which is so fundamental to all aspects of our way of life here?

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Oh well that's all right then, so we should let the country collapse to give them the time to figure out they were seduced by the worst of humanity.



You have to have a compromise because only half the country voted for leave & they did it on the promise of cake and eat it/£350 million for the NHS/no foreigners stealing jobs/no foreigners telling you what to do/no unintended consequences

If you honestly thing that people voted to leave because they wanted to be poorer, then you may be suffering from delusion.

But you are assuming the country will collapse, we don't know what the effect will. I don't think it will be good and initially there will be major problems but in the end I suspect although we will be worse off it will not be as bad as some of the predictions.

Herzlos

No-one wrote "not as bad as some of the predictions" on the bus though. For Brexit to be enough of a success to keep the pitchforks away, we need brexit to visibly improve things.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I don't think it will be good and initially there will be major problems but in the end I suspect although we will be worse off it will not be as bad as some of the predictions.

I'm sure they thought that in 2008.

While there are leave voters who are so xenophobic they just want out, the majority thought they were going to get a better life. I doubt they'll be happy that things don't go as bad as the worse case scenario.

AG47

If we have no deal it’s going to be hard for everybody

Lower property prices mind you, not so bad

Herzlos

Lower mortgage affordability too, so lower prices will only benefit cash buyers.