Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

System

BobQ wrote: »

Parliament has more understanding of the reality than many of those who expressed a view in a simplistic yes/no vote.

Is that why the majority of MPs voted to implement Brexit but have since then resoundingly voted down all attempts to achieve it?

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Yet honouring the result will cause the same problems, but with economic hardship thrown in

Although I agree there will be some economic hardship I don't think it will cause the same distrust in politicians.

lisyloo

ukcarper wrote: »

Although I agree there will be some economic hardship I don't think it will cause the same distrust in politicians.

I think most people distrust politicians and think they are paid far too much.
Playing devils advocate here but why is this distrust such a big issue, normal people want their schools, hospitals and businesses running and don’t generally care that much about politics.

Graham_Devon

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The US can't import chlorine chicken if no-one orders it!

Yes, the Us does have different standards to us, and yes things do have to be ordered before they can be imported.

Didn't you know? Chlorinated chicken falls out of the sky if we leave the EU.

You need to do some research.

phillw

This new malthouse compromise is like inviting the EU to play russian roulette and then still going ahead even though the EU have declined to play.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The US can't import chlorine chicken if no-one orders it!

Two words for you: Horse lasagne.

That stuff was legal, think what will happen if we rip up the rules.

ukcarper wrote: »

I'm not sure about that I thinks it's down to if you believe the EU when it says it doesn't want the back stop to last forever, because if you don't we are effectively locked in. I personally do believe that but ERG don't.

The problem is that the ERG see any future agreement that would respect the good friday agreement as being equivalent to the backstop & therefore unacceptable. The fact they still aren't being honest with how damaging their vision would be to every day men and women shows how elitist they are.

ukcarper wrote: »

I think whether we leave with no deal is now in EUs hands because I think parliament won't vote for no deal and will ask for extension.

I think the government will look for a way to have a third vote on the WA. I don't know if parliament will take no deal off the table or ask for an extension, but if they do then it's unclear why the EU would grant one.

kabayiri

lisyloo wrote: »

Hmm....so given the horse meat scandal, you think no supermarkets, takeaways, vans on the street corner will order this because their principles are at stake?

Processed poultry meat product, ie the low value end, mostly comes from places like Thailand.

That's not going to change dramatically the day after Brexit.

Shipments from the Netherlands may be under pressure, but as our consumption has grown in recent years, so has the proportion sourced from elsewhere.

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

I think most people distrust politicians and think they are paid far too much.
Playing devils advocate here but why is this distrust such a big issue, normal people want their schools, hospitals and businesses running and don’t generally care that much about politics.

Distrust on its own but ignoring the result will go deeper than that.

phillw

kabayiri wrote: »

That's not going to change dramatically the day after Brexit.

Nobody is saying it will happen the day after, to load up a container with contaminated meat and get it to UK shores will take a couple of months. Which is why people are a bit worried what customs declarations and checks their shipments that left while we were in the EU will face.

There doesn't seem to be any indication what will happen in the medium term.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

Distrust on its own but ignoring the result will go deeper than that.

So far the government has twice ignored the result on the WA.

At what point do we stop pandering to people just because leave voters seem to be dangerous individuals? Nobody would be worried about ignoring the will of the people if they were all guardian reading & avacado eating liberals.

Re-running the WA vote until the government gets the result it wants, but you can't give the people the same chance? Sounds pretty elitist.

Theresa May losing her voice during PMQ is not going to help her.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

I think the government will look for a way to have a third vote on the WA. I don't know if parliament will take no deal off the table or ask for an extension, but if they do then it's unclear why the EU would grant one.

I would not be surprised if they do, I think they will vote foe Mays motion but that does not take it off permanently and I also think they will vote to ask for extension. I agree its unclear that the EU will agree to one, but I don't think the EU want us to leave without a deal and if they think that there is a realistic chance a deal can be reached or another referendum call they would agree.