Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

BobQ

ukcarper wrote: »

I think it can when thier alternative is either more undeliverable I.e Being in Customs union and free market and not being subject to FOM ECJ or not honouring the result of Referendum.

So you blame Labour for having a policy that the Tory PM will not consider "in good faith".

People voted for an unspecified form of Brexit. You think Brexit means only one thing.

You do not want FoM but how are you going to fill all those job vacancies (we have high employment)? Or are you content with non-EU migration?

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

Well I still don't believe you voted to remain in the first place, so you suggesting that you'd like to see us leave is no surprise.



What you see is more about you than them. You may be right, but it would seem to be worth proving that. Not liking the idea of more democracy is another leave supporter trait....



There isn't a compromise that could possibly work. We need what is right for the country, blaming david cameon and theresa may won't help.

I can assure I did vote remain and wish they hadn't call referendum in first place and I believe there is no going back now, so the best thing we could have done was reach for a compromise. The alternatives of leaving without a deal or the consequences of ignoring the referendum are very unattractive

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

So you blame Labour for having a policy that the Tory PM will not consider "in good faith".

People voted for an unspecified form of Brexit. You think Brexit means only one thing.

You do not want FoM but how are you going to fill all those job vacancies (we have high employment)? Or are you content with non-EU migration?

I blame both sides for the failure to compromise, I'd rather not see us leave without a deal but feel the result of referendum should at least in part be honoured.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I can assure I did vote leave and wish they hadn't call referendum in first place and I believe there is no going back now, so the best thing we could have done was reach for a compromise. The alternatives of leaving without a deal or the consequences of ignoring the referendum are very unattractive

That is what I thought, maybe I'm wrong but didn't you say you voted remain before?

ukcarper wrote: »

I blame both sides for the failure to compromise, I'd rather not see us leave without a deal but feel the result of referendum should at least in part be honoured.

As the leave vote is split between people who think we can go back to ration books and those that think the EU will bow to our superiority then there is no real compromise to be made.

BobQ

ukcarper wrote: »

So you are saying we can be in customs union without FOM being subject to ECJ and able to make our own trade deals.

What was right for country was not voting for referendum and voting to trigger article 50 the damage has already done and the answer is to come to a reasonable compromise which unfortunately both sides are not prepared to do.

I never said that. If you stop FoM how do you fill the vacancies is a high employment economy?

Reasonable compromise yes but how much decline in our living standards do you think is OK.

There are three major trading blocks in the World (US, China and EU). These blocks bargain with others from a position of strength. Joining the ranks of those nations that seek trade deals with these blocks will be a salutatory experience for UK, in particular UK business which most people will see in lower living standards and unemployment.

phillw

BobQ wrote: »

I never said that. If you stop FoM how do you fill the vacancies is a high employment economy?

You cherry pick the ones that will be obedient and then send them back to their stinking hole of a country when you're done with them of course. (just in case it's not obvious, this is not my opinion but I'm paraphrasing posts by leavers).

BobQ wrote: »

Reasonable compromise yes but how much decline in our living standards do you think is OK.

People didn't vote for a decline in living standards, stop betraying the will of the people.

Next week we vote for super models for all. I am voting for 1995 kate moss, I'm willing to compromise. I'll take 1995 cindi crawford or a current year kate moss at a push.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

That is what I thought, maybe I'm wrong but didn't you say you voted remain before?



As the leave vote is split between people who think we can go back to ration books and those that think the EU will bow to our superiority then there is no real compromise to be made.

The last post was an error I did vote remain.

You last post is nonsense do you know any leave voters I know a large number.

ukcarper

BobQ wrote: »

I never said that. If you stop FoM how do you fill the vacancies is a high employment economy?

Reasonable compromise yes but how much decline in our living standards do you think is OK.

There are three major trading blocks in the World (US, China and EU). These blocks bargain with others from a position of strength. Joining the ranks of those nations that seek trade deals with these blocks will be a salutatory experience for UK, in particular UK business which most people will see in lower living standards and unemployment.

You are going over the same arguments and yes they are valid but we are past that point and I don't think we can ignore the referendum.

Herzlos

ukcarper wrote: »

I can assure I did vote remain and wish they hadn't call referendum in first place and I believe there is no going back now, so the best thing we could have done was reach for a compromise. The alternatives of leaving without a deal or the consequences of ignoring the referendum are very unattractive

Yeah, and almost immediately the EUs behaviour turned you into a hard-core leaver in perpetuity.
You're not at all playing the 'I used to be a remainer false flag game.

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

You last post is nonsense do you know any leave voters I know a large numbe.

I do, I live in an area that is full of them.

I don't know what type of leavers you have there (there are many) but if you don't have any of the "we won the war, why aren't they doing what we said" or "we coped with ration books, why do we need them" then I can send you a red bus load.

ukcarper wrote: »

You are going over the same arguments and yes they are valid but we are past that point and I don't think we can ignore the referendum.

I think we can, well not ignore it but like when you wake up after sleeping with someone because you were drunk. Instead of pretending they were better looking, just pretend we left the EU and rejoined.

ukcarper wrote: »

The last post was an error I did vote remain.

I'm not convinced, you spoke like a leaver from the beginning. You're a less believable remainer than Theresa May.