Brexit the economy and house prices part 7: Brexit Harder

andrewf75

ukcarper wrote: »

I think that there are 4 reasons people voted leave

FOM, ECJ, fee and abllty of U.K. to make its own free trade agreements, probably it that order so I would have thought that at least some of them should be honoured.

You're making me reconsider now, because yes I'd agree!. But people were also led to believe that we could be like Switzerland and that we could have single market access without FOM etc. I don't think leave would have won had the ballot said explicitly that it was to leave the single market as well.

Thrugelmir

andrewf75 wrote: »

But people were also led to believe that we could be like Switzerland and that we could have single market access without FOM etc.

Switzerland ?

You need to catch up with events.

adindas

andrewf75 wrote: »

No, that was project fear by the remain campaign.
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Well project fear !!!

andrewf75 wrote: »

Interesting. But still your interpretation. Ultimately all that matters is what was on the ballot paper, leave or remain.

Did you ever see a referendum like a contract document comprise a few hundred or even thousand of pages. If so pleasee free to post the link

ukcarper wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUI5A1Gd5D0

Well Spotted
it is only the dummiest people on earth will ever believe that there is a need for the EU referendum if you you are still in the single market. UK already have this before the referendum.

Keep in mind Staying in the single market will mean:
Keep paying,
Except four freedom
Still under the jurisdiction of EU court of justice.

It is also only the dummiest people on the Uk will choose to take part in such referendum. Well keep paying, four freedom, EU jurisdiction ?? It is an insult to people intelligent.

But someone here still believe that they could be leave EU but stay in the single market !!!!!!!

It is not crystal clear ???

buglawton

Scratch the surface of the Potato Famine however, and you realise that at the time much Irish agriculture was in the ownership of English absentee landlords.

mayonnaise

adindas wrote: »

it is only the dummiest people on earth will ever believe that there is a need for the EU referendum
It is also only the dummiest people on the Uk will choose to take part in such referendum.

adindas wrote: »

It is an insult to people intelligent.

Spot on. And an ever bigger insult to people intelligentiest.

gfplux

Dippypud wrote: »

Linky no worky
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I have no idea why the link to the British Government site is broken and continues to be.
Here is the link to the document on the EU site.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.CI.2019.066.01.0185.01.ENG&toc=OJ:C:2019:066I:TOC

You have to download the text.

Herzlos

adindas wrote: »

About 85% of Ireland's total EU freight trade goes via British ports. How could they effort the no deal brexit.
With no deal Brexit Ireland will suffer more than UK. Keep in mind this country could veto the EU decision.

That's why they are introducing direct ferries between Eire and France - so they can cut England out of the transit loop. It'll be quicker and cheaper than all goods needing to go through a WTO zone and 2 customs points.


Ireland will suffer less than us, and if it suffers the EU will prop them up but not us.

That is the price to pay to let themselves to be used as a pawn by the EU.

Ireland isn't an EU pawn. They are a willing member and appear to be in agreement with the EU. I know that doesn't us, but it doesn't mean they are pawns.
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Ireland already forget the history of Irish Potato Famine (Great Irish Famine)

One of the main causes of Irish resentment towards the UK, and why they'd never leave the EU to become a vassal state again.

Also do not forget, there is also an option of invading Ireland to be put on the negotiation table.

Only if you're an idiot. We probably still have enough military to invade Eire, but what then? Do you think our military will happily do it? Do you think the Irish public will just go along with it? Do you think France, the US and the UN will sit by and let it happen? Do you think we'd be able to successfully complete it before French forces started bombing our military capability into the stone age? Realistically, we'd have about an hour from landing on Ireland before French aircraft were over England.
Do you then think anyone, including the Irish, would recognise that it's now an English vassal state?
What do you think that'd mean for us on the international political stage?


If you wanted to go down the Irish Unification route to deal with the border issue, it'd be a lot easier to give NI back to Eire, or to try and bribe them to leave the EU.

gfplux

Just to repeat. This is the document which forms part of the withdrawal deal about the future relationship between Britain and the EU.
It is pretty lightweight but no one in Britain appears to care.

It is headed

Political declaration setting out the framework for the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom


https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:OJ.CI.2019.066.01.0185.01.ENG&toc=OJ:%20%20C:2019:066I%3Cimg%20src%3D

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

Well project fear !!!





Did you ever see a referendum like a contract document comprise a few hundred or even thousand of pages. If so pleasee free to post the link




Well Spotted
it is only the dummiest people on earth will ever believe that there is a need for the EU referendum if you you are still in the single market. UK already have this before the referendum.

Keep in mind Staying in the single market will mean:
Keep paying,
Except four freedom
Still under the jurisdiction of EU court of justice.

It is also only the dummiest people on the Uk will choose to take part in such referendum. Well keep paying, four freedom, EU jurisdiction ?? It is an insult to people intelligent.

But someone here still believe that they could be leave EU but stay in the single market !!!!!!!

It is not crystal clear ???

I can only conclude that are either Aleksandr Orlov or you must be writing your posts in Russian & then using a translation website. If the latter, you need to use a better one!!
Simples....

kabayiri

Dippypud wrote: »

That's basically May's deal ...

Yep.

May's deal with a "can do" attitude towards the NI/ROI border would probably win around the Leave group within her government.

But if you start out with the view that the border is an intractable issue, then you end up chasing your tail.

I think a soft border, whilst not perfect, is entirely possible to run on a regular basis.