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Grievance/Sexual Harassment
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There are bad people in the world. Being a victim of this kind of thing happens; but staying a victim shouldn’t.
Standing up for yourself and ensuring your own safety is a fundamental part of being an adult.
Treating others with respect is also a fundamental part of being an adult.What would Buzz do?
I used to be Snow White - but I drifted.0 -
7Why should someone who has been sexually harassed have to give up their social life?
The works do was clearly attended by far more people than just the OP and her manager. The OP has described some of the others as her friends.
Why should she have to miss out on sharing time with her friends at the Christmas do, just because her manager was also going to be there?
On the one hand you have Comms basically saying that those who are sexually harassed should learn to stick up for themselves and get on with it (though I would say l that the real way forward would be for those who do the harassing to stop it).
On the other hand we have you, saying that someone who has been sexually harassed should cut back on their social life, stay at home and out of the way (rather than getting on with it), and if they do dare to have a social life, you'll insinuate that they must be inventing the sexual harasment.
As someone else has noted, no wonder people hesitate to report sexual harassment. There are so many myths and ridiculous expectations about what a victim should and shouldn't do.
Who said anything about giving up a social life? Stop getting carried away with yourself and making things up. I'm only talking about the Christmas do. Nothing else.
Talk about over egging the pudding lol0 -
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Who said anything about giving up a social life? Stop getting carried away with yourself and making things up. I'm only talking about the Christmas do. Nothing else.
Talk about over egging the pudding lol
Ok, why should she have to give up going to the works Christmas do with her friends from wotk?
If she has the guts to go, why would that suggest the sexual harassment didn't happen?What would Buzz do?
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Because it calls into question *why* he took the photo. All the other photos were for facebook, but the one with the OP in? Just for him.
But you knew that anyway.
Absolutely not. You do seem to make massive assumptions.
Nothing was published so there is NO EVIDENCE that any photo of the OP was taken, hence my questions.
He MAY have taken loads of photos for the staff magazine too, we do not know they were ALL were for facebook.
This sounds more like a paranoid Kim Kardashian incident.
We still don't know how the manager "forced" her to smile or do overtime but she admits to lying to colleagues. (all in the original OP rather than the drip feed we've had since).Originally Posted by shortcrust
"Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."0 -
No.
Respect is earnt
Let's make sure we're talking about the same type of 'respect' before going any further.
I'm talking about the basic kind of 'respect' which most people exercise by not commenting on their colleague's body parts - for example.
I don't believe that kind of 'respect' needs to be earned. If you believe differently, it would be good to know why.
The kind of 'respect' given to someone for the job they do does, however, need to be earntWhat would Buzz do?
I used to be Snow White - but I drifted.0 -
Absolutely not. You do seem to make massive assumptions.
Nothing was published so there is NO EVIDENCE that any photo of the OP was taken, hence my questions.
He MAY have taken loads of photos for the staff magazine too, we do not know they were ALL were for facebook.
This sounds more like a paranoid Kim Kardashian incident.
We still don't know how the manager "forced" her to smile or do overtime but she admits to lying to colleagues. (all in the original OP rather than the drip feed we've had since).
To be fair, the bit about lying to colleagues was because she has been asked to keep the sexual harassment allegations confidential - so couldn't use that honest answer to the questions she was being asked.
As for how a manager can 'make' someone do overtime, the OK is k t unique in the history of this board in feeling that she can't turn down overtime - for whatever reason.
I can absolutely see the photo incident from the OP's point of view - without it being remotely like "a paranoid Kim Kardashian incident".What would Buzz do?
I used to be Snow White - but I drifted.0 -
To be fair, the bit about lying to colleagues was because she has been asked to keep the sexual harassment allegations confidential - so couldn't use that honest answer to the questions she was being asked.
As for how a manager can 'make' someone do overtime, the OK is k t unique in the history of this board in feeling that she can't turn down overtime - for whatever reason.
I can absolutely see the photo incident from the OP's point of view - without it being remotely like "a paranoid Kim Kardashian incident".
I can also see a photo incident from different angles - someone pointing a camera at me and giving me the thumbs up or the OK sign and laughing might make me think they're going to make me look silly, someone aimlessly pointing a camera at one and all and just moving on wouldn't.
What I find strange is the, not being published as being the complaint. So being excluded from the group, that could be bullying but its not sexual harassment. Now if they'd taken an upskirt shot, or lifted the camera above their head pointing down to get lots of cleavage, that would be.Originally Posted by shortcrust
"Contact the Ministry of Fairness....If sufficient evidence of unfairness is discovered you’ll get an apology, a permanent contract with backdated benefits, a ‘Let’s Make it Fair!’ tshirt and mug, and those guilty of unfairness will be sent on a Fairness Awareness course."0 -
Ok, why should she have to give up going to the works Christmas do with her friends from wotk?
If she has the guts to go, why would that suggest the sexual harassment didn't happen?
Because as I've said ad infinitum, there's a good chance the perpetrator will be present and he might cause problems. And in this case it seems I'm right. He was and he did.
Who on earth said anything about suggesting the sexual harassment didn't happen? Are you making things up again?0 -
Let's make sure we're talking about the same type of 'respect' before going any further.
I'm talking about the basic kind of 'respect' which most people exercise by not commenting on their colleague's body parts - for example.
I don't believe that kind of 'respect' needs to be earned. If you believe differently, it would be good to know why.
The kind of 'respect' given to someone for the job they do does, however, need to be earnt
Oh you mean civility; sure.0
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