Grievance/Sexual Harassment

gomer

jonnygee2 wrote: »

A woman taking off a layer of warm clothing and sitting at her desk is not any kind of 'signal'. It certainly does not signal that it is okay to make comments on her breasts.

If someone feels they need to wear extra clothing to avoid men around her commenting on her breasts there is obviously a serious problem.

It wasn't her desk. She was at a work do and specifically chose to sit next to the person she alleges has been sexually harassing her. You don't think that a bit odd?

Ergates

jonnygee2 wrote: »

A woman taking off a layer of warm clothing and sitting at her desk is not any kind of 'signal'. It certainly does not signal that it is okay to make comments on her breasts.

If someone feels they need to wear extra clothing to avoid men around her commenting on her breasts there is obviously a serious problem.

Exactly. The comments from some of the people (presumably men) in this thread are like some kind of text-book example of how sexual harassment claims are commonly dismissed. Are they working from a script?

I wonder if the people making them also believe that catcalling women in the street is just giving them compliments.

gomer

Ergates wrote: »

Without context no. If this was OPs manager, then she may still have to interact with this person at work. This might involve, at times, speaking to them in person, which generally involves being in close proximity to them.

Also, it's irrelevant. Someone sitting on a desk next to you doesn't give you free reign to make inappropriate comments about their breasts. The manager is an adult. The manager knows what is and isn't appropriate behaviour in the workplace. The manager is responsible for their own behaviour.

It. Was. Not. In. The. Work. Place.


Now do you see?

gomer

Is everyone deliberately missing the point?

Ergates

gomer wrote: »

It. Was. Not. In. The. Work. Place.


Now do you see?

It. Was. The desk incident did not take place a the Xmas party, it took place at work.

Also, as has already been pointed out, work arranged events (like Xmas parties) count as being in the workplace.

EDIT Just to make it crystal clear:

I do want to clarify that at work we do have a uniform code. I was wearing my uniform top, and I took it off but underneath I was wearing a long sleeved top and sat on the desk next to him. I do not see a black long sleeved top innapropiate.
And on the staff party.....etc.

Exhibit A: AT WORK they have a uniform, it was the uniform jacket she removed, ERGO she was AT WORK at the time.

Exhibit B: "AND on the staff party" See the "AND"? that indicates that this is a separate event.

gomer

Ergates wrote: »

It. Was. The desk incident did not take place a the Xmas party, it took place at work.

Also, as has already been pointed out, work arranged events (like Xmas parties) count as being in the workplace.

Anyone in their right mind would have avoided the works do like the plague if the old perve you've raised a grievance against for inappropriate sexually suggestive behaviour was there.

Comms69

Ergates wrote: »

Exactly. The comments from some of the people (presumably men) in this thread are like some kind of text-book example of how sexual harassment claims are commonly dismissed. Are they working from a script?

I wonder if the people making them also believe that catcalling women in the street is just giving them compliments.

Personally I don't think treating women as helpless victims and white knighting at every opportunity is any better...


The simple fact is the OP needs to stand up for herself and where inappropriate comments are made, she needs to say something.

gomer

Ergates wrote: »

It. Was. The desk incident did not take place a the Xmas party, it took place at work.

Also, as has already been pointed out, work arranged events (like Xmas parties) count as being in the workplace.

EDIT Just to make it crystal clear:



Exhibit A: AT WORK they have a uniform, it was the uniform jacket she removed, ERGO she was AT WORK at the time.

Exhibit B: "AND on the staff party" See the "AND"? that indicates that this is a separate event.

And your thought on the rest of the point?

Ergates

gomer wrote: »

Anyone in their right mind would have avoided the works do like the plague if the old perve you've raised a grievance against for inappropriate sexually suggestive behaviour was there.

What you think a person "in their right mind" would have done is irrelevant - none of it excuses the managers behaviour either before or after the grievance was raised. It would be reasonable for the OP to hope/expect that after the grievance case the manager would actually behave himself.

You're about an inch away from "She was wearing a short skirt and drinking, she was asking for it".

Ergates

gomer wrote: »

And your thought on the rest of the point?

What point? You didn't have a point - you just made a factually inaccurate assertion.