If there is a second referendum ...

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

I'd say it has been honoured; in as much as it can be. We've spent 2.5 years almost exclusively working on brexit and can't find any way to provide it as advertised. In any other environment that'd be sufficient to re-assess. If you're so confident that people still want to leave it should be a non issue.

It IS a non-issue.
Only remainers like you are trying to turn it into one.
We will leave, deal or no deal.
THEN and only then will it have been honoured.
Simples.

Herzlos wrote: »

No-one has yet provides any evidence that democracy needs an action to be some before asking people if it's the one they want.

You're waffling.
Why give a referendum and promise it will be respected if you then don't do what you said you would do.
That's a pointless exercise ..... just like talking to certain remainers.

Herzlos wrote: »

I don't mind you being against a 2nd referrendum, just the dishonesty. It's democratic, you're just scared of losing and getting your glorious brexit taken away by those young uns that don't know what they are talking about and have been brainwashed.

The dishonesty is all yours for saying you accept the result of a referendum and then trying your darndest to get the result overturned.
That's not democracy, that's anarchy.
You're just scared of leaving the EU, pure & simple.
Well most of the country decided that's what they want.

Herzlos wrote: »

Take a pizza analogy.

Must we?
Really?
Talk about desperation but okay ......

Herzlos wrote: »

What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
What kind of pizza?
Stop being anti-democratic and get me pizza.

No.
What you're doing is saying "but I really wanted burger! I don't like pizza!" which is too late when the pizza is in front of you . . . and you've eaten three quarters of it.

Herzlos wrote: »

And you can tell how good an idea people think it is based on who's encouraging it and who's trying to distance themselves for it.

There must be something relevant in there somewhere but it looks like just so much more poop to me TBH because if you were honest you would admit that always people will have differing opinions.
There's a difference between acknowledging those differences and riding roughshod over them which, sadly, remainers like yourself refuse to accept.

By the end of this week following the HoP vote on a proposed deal no doubt the intensity of attempted belitlling from certain remainers will increase.

wunferall

cogito wrote: »

Do you deliberately misunderstand what people write?

IMHO that has been fairly obvious for a long time.
So much so that I wonder why anyone now bothers to "bite".

MisterMotivated

Herzlos wrote: »

No-one has yet provides any evidence that democracy needs an action to be some before asking people if it's the one they want.

Democracy is not just about holding votes; democracy is about acting in accordance with the will of the people and the best way to determine the will of the people is generally through holding a vote. In this case, a vote was held and the will of the people has been shown as leaving the EU. The government now need to act on that show of will.

badmemory

wunferall wrote: »

By the end of this week following the HoP vote on a proposed deal no doubt the intensity of attempted belitlling from certain remainers will increase.

You can easily find out which way those MPs are going to vote. Just figure out which vote will make their bank balances bigger, because very very few of them if any are there for the greater good.

Enterprise_1701C

badmemory wrote: »

I have to wonder what is democratic about a leader lying about the reasons for "things" going wrong for people. That is, Cameron blaming the EU for everything. Then after those mammoth lies, holding a referendum, then acting surprised when people voted out. I have to wonder how many people didn't actually bother voting because remain was so obvious an answer.


I am sure those on here will be delighted to know that my vote has changed from remain to a no deal exit. As in if we are stuck with coming out then we should actually come out, after all that is what the exit vote meant. The good news will be that those skyrocket London house prices will come tumbling down - for the rest of us it will just be here we go again & hopefully one of a couple will stay in work.

Equally, I find myself wondering how many leave voters did not bother turning up because everyone was convinced remain would win.

There was dishonesty on both sides,that £9 million for that remainer leaflet issued by the government was not included in the campaign costs.

LHW99

Apparently so. But presumably they are all going to Prague, Budapest or Magaluf these days?

Encountered them on a flight to Munich, problems reported on flights to Ibiza, Bratislava, Las Vegas this year, and Hamburg, Budapest and Berlin are popular too, I believe.

Herzlos

Democracy means the people's will being taken into account. There's nothing anti-democratic aboit checking when the thing you're tasked to do is impossible and it seems like the people have changed their mind.

I'm not trying to thwart brexit. I'm all for the hardest of brexits. I'll making a killing in foreign held stocks and I'm confident I'll be able to ride out the wave to spend my money once we're on the way back in.

Are you confident that your lifestyle is safe if brexit goes as predicted?

MisterMotivated

I don't see Brexit as being anything close to impossible, and the only people I know who have changed their minds since the referendum now just want us to get on with Brexit.



Yes, I'm confident my lifestyle will be just fine, thanks for asking.

BobQ

MisterMotivated wrote: »

Besides, the Remoaner version seems to be more a case of:


What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.

It does not matter how many times you repeat it you still do not say what kind of pizza you want. So you may end up with a flavour you do not want.

BobQ

MisterMotivated wrote: »

I don't see Brexit as being anything close to impossible, and the only people I know who have changed their minds since the referendum now just want us to get on with Brexit.



Yes, I'm confident my lifestyle will be just fine, thanks for asking.

What about the lifestyle of those adversely affected by Brexit?