If there is a second referendum ...

kabayiri

lisyloo wrote: »

Hmm......so we have a harbour at Ramsgate that can’t take big ships and needs repairs, a ferry company with no ships and takeaway firm terms and conditions..................yep sound like it’s all going pretty well

We can carry on expanding Liverpool2. It's one of the most modern container ports going. As a Northerner it suits me too.

This just carries on a trend whereby the vast majority of shipped freight comes from outside the EU.

If the EU want a last minute shipping deal to stop the French farmers rioting, and the Spanish fishermen reduced to running sight seeing trips, then the door to future discussion is open.

Long term, I think importing more produce direct from Africa and South America is a good thing. Africa's population will double, and they need to sustain their populace somehow.

MisterMotivated

We might have been further along if the people of the UK had been pragmatic enough to work together in order to get the best deal/make the best of the situation even if they disagreed, rather than trying to find some legal loophole like a spelling error on the ballot paper to invalidate the process, or to convince the government that all the leave voters have since died of old age.

Herzlos

wunferall wrote: »

A referendum is indeed by definition democratic if the result of said referendum is respected.

We were told were we not that the result of the EU referendum would be respected?
Has it been, yet?
Not until March 29th at 23:00 hrs. it hasn't.

So if you are truly so concerned about respecting democracy, why is it that you cannot abide by a democratically-made decision and do what would be democratically correct, i.e. arrange a vote after leaving the EU asking if the British public would like to rejoin?

I suspect that the reason you do not agree with such a democratic way to honour the only vote held so far (recently of course) is because you know exactly what the probable outcome would be.
And you still don't like your chances.


So we know very well exactly who looks desperate.
Remainers insisting that another referendum is needed, just because they didn't like the answer the first time around.
Well, these people should have objected before the referendum.
Now is too late.

The falsehood is remainers like yourself saying they believe in democracy whilst at the same time doing all they can to deny it happening, and that is just sour grapes.

I'd say it has been honoured; in as much as it can be. We've spent 2.5 years almost exclusively working on brexit and can't find any way to provide it as advertised. In any other environment that'd be sufficient to re-assess. If you're so confident that people still want to leave it should be a non issue.

No-one has yet provides any evidence that democracy needs an action to be some before asking people if it's the one they want.

I don't mind you being against a 2nd referrendum, just the dishonesty. It's democratic, you're just scared of losing and getting your glorious brexit taken away by those young uns that don't know what they are talking about and have been brainwashed.


Take a pizza analogy.
What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
What kind of pizza?
Stop being anti-democratic and get me pizza.

And you can tell how good an idea people think it is based on who's encouraging it and who's trying to distance themselves for it.

wunferall

lisyloo wrote: »

Hmm......so we have a harbour at Ramsgate that can’t take big ships and needs repairs, a ferry company with no ships and takeaway firm terms and conditions..................yep sound like it’s all going pretty well

*Yawn*
This is old now so why bring it up again when you're determined to ignore the obvious and in so doing make yourself look like just another remoaner?
Because that's all you're doing, moaning.

Do you know what dredging is, or that it has been going on in Ramsgate and why?

Do you not realise that every company starts somewhere?
Easyjet didn't start with the over 300 aircraft it has now you know and when the company was first formed by Stelios it didn't have a single aircraft; many companies start from nothing.


If you dislike the direction Brexit is taking so far I'm pretty sure you will be really peeved when you find out we really are leaving the EU without a deal, which looks increasingly likely.

kabayiri

badmemory wrote: »

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I am sure those on here will be delighted to know that my vote has changed from remain to a no deal exit. As in if we are stuck with coming out then we should actually come out, after all that is what the exit vote meant. The good news will be that those skyrocket London house prices will come tumbling down - for the rest of us it will just be here we go again & hopefully one of a couple will stay in work.

London property prices are a problem of it's own making.

Everybody acknowledges there is a general shortage of housing there, and yet there are thousands of higher end apartments which are sat unsold.

I doubt even that is the fault of the EU.

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Are you going to try and say with a straight face that joining the EU made us less prosperous?

Do you deliberately misunderstand what people write? I didn’t say anything of the sort.

But you might want to wonder why the UK's GDP has increased at a faster rate than Germany, Italy (especially) and many other EU members since the € was introduced.

kabayiri

wunferall wrote: »

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If you dislike the direction Brexit is taking so far I'm pretty sure you will be really peeved when you find out we really are leaving the EU without a deal, which looks increasingly likely.

It might be a short lived no deal situation. The EU elections sit quite soon after the exit date, and I should imagine any dissatisfaction amongst EU voters will feed through to their EU reps.

Get rid of Juncker and Barnier, and the discussions might be more productive.

cogito

MisterMotivated wrote: »

We might have been further along if the people of the UK had been pragmatic enough to work together in order to get the best deal/make the best of the situation even if they disagreed, rather than trying to find some legal loophole like a spelling error on the ballot paper to invalidate the process, or to convince the government that all the leave voters have since died of old age.

We would have been much further along if the government wasn’t packed with remainers determined to keep us as closely aligned to the EU as possible.

badmemory

kabayiri wrote: »

London property prices are a problem of it's own making.

Everybody acknowledges there is a general shortage of housing there, and yet there are thousands of higher end apartments which are sat unsold.

I doubt even that is the fault of the EU.

But it must be as this & the last gov has been telling us (since 2010) all our problems were caused by the EU. We are just reaping what they (as in Cameron et al) sowed.

MisterMotivated

Herzlos wrote: »

I'd say it has been honoured; in as much as it can be. We've spent 2.5 years almost exclusively working on brexit and can't find any way to provide it as advertised.

The question was: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

We voted to leave. Have we left?

Take a pizza analogy.
What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
What kind of pizza?
Stop being anti-democratic and get me pizza.

Not being immediately specific about the kind of pizza you want for dinner doesn't mean you don't want a pizza. Besides, the Remoaner version seems to be more a case of:


What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.
But I want a burger. What do you want for dinner, pizza or burger?
Pizza.