If there is a second referendum ...

adonis

Herzlos wrote: »

Seamless trade.
Seamless movement.
Standardized goods and services.
International clout.
Shared costs for research, defence, infrastructure.
Shared costs for standards and safety agencies.
Access to their markets.
Access to all the markets they have deals with.
Tougher consumer, employee and environmental regulations.
No roaming charges.

Glad I voted leave then.

Herzlos

adonis wrote: »

Glad I voted leave then.

Good for you. I'd love to know what you've got against prosperity?

BikingBud

Herzlos wrote: »

Where's the option to remain but not integrate further?

Where's the option to:

• have long weekends, Fri and Monday off, every weekend?
• have 60 days of holidays per year?
• Get free beer on a Weds?
• Get paid to take holidays in Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece or any other place you may wish?
• have our cake and it eat?

We decided we want to leave.

Why are we still here discussing any number incredible and unsupported options?

Lungboy

MisterMotivated wrote: »

If A50 is cancelled unilaterally, I would expect there to be rioting on the streets for a good while, with things only escalating from there.

Nah, the gammons are too busy picketing Greggs over vegan sausage rolls to riot over brexit.

MisterMotivated

Herzlos wrote: »

Seamless trade.
Seamless movement.
Standardized goods and services.
International clout.
Shared costs for research, defence, infrastructure.
Shared costs for standards and safety agencies.
Access to their markets
Access to all the markets they have deals with
Tougher consumer, employee and environmental regulations.
No roaming charges.

Seamless trade. - could potentially be negotiated in a deal. Seamless trade would be in both sides' interests, but the EU insists on using it as a bargaining tool to force it's other demands upon us
Seamless movement. - last year, net EU-UK migration was 74,000 so I don't really see that as a good thing for a country with a chronic housing shortage already. And having to go through customs on your hen-do to Magaluf is hardly the worst thing ever
Standardized goods and services. - pretty sure we can set our own standards (we could even mirror the EU's if they were suitable) without having to pay for the privilege
International clout. - to do what exactly? sounds equivalent to being in a gang
Shared costs for research, defence, infrastructure. - we're paying a fortune to EDF for building Hinkley Point C through unnecessarily high strike price that will be passed on to consumers when we could've built it for half the price ourselves. Shared defence spending eventually leading to an EU army over which we have no/little control
Shared costs for standards and safety agencies. - paid for from our high fees. UK based agencies means more UK jobs
Access to their markets. - you've done that one already
Access to all the markets they have deals with - can negotiate our own access to other markets
Tougher consumer, employee and environmental regulations. - who says they'd be tougher? We can decide our own regulations as we see fit
No roaming charges. - hardly a massive consideration

Lornapink

Lungboy wrote: »

Nah, the gammons are too busy picketing Greggs over vegan sausage rolls to riot over brexit.

Just about ever Leave voter I know has said they would protest in London if Brexit gets over-turned. Lorry drivers are planning gridlock (before you scoff at this, it happened once before when Blair put up fuel taxes).


Of course nationalist populist movements are taking Europe by storm, with for example France now having 35% polling for far right parties including FN and only 15% backing Macrons party.

MisterMotivated

BobQ wrote: »

Alas I doubt it will be that easy. Rejoining would mean within the Schengen Area and using the Euro. The idea that the EU would not enforce its rejoining rules to the letter is wishful thinking. Plus we would have lost an awful lot of goodwill.

So you want to stay in the EU because if we want to rejoin further down the line, they'll insist on us accepting terms they know we don't agree with, like adopting the disaster that is the Euro? Sounds like a great club to be a member of. And if we cancel Brexit now, what makes you think they won't take that as an opportunity to suggest some 'reforms' following our new found commintment to the bloc.

Lornapink

Herzlos wrote: »

Good for you. I'd love to know what you've got against prosperity?

Just before the referendum the left were pedalling various incarnations of Miliband's broken Britain / cost of living crisis / zero-zero economy / only good for the 1%.


What made you suddenly decide to drop all that and claim we're so prosperous?


Are the 68% that say Macron is doing a bad job, pleased with life and having had 4 yrs of socialism followed by a year of Blairism all wrapped in EU unicorn gift wrapping?

MisterMotivated

Lornapink wrote: »

Of course nationalist populist movements are taking Europe by storm, with for example France now having 35% polling for far right parties including FN and only 15% backing Macrons party.

Yet the media would have us believe that Brexit is solely the result of "Little Britain Syndrome" rather than admitting that more and more people, even on the continent are recognising that there is something seriously wrong with the EU.

Lornapink

MisterMotivated wrote: »

So you want to stay in the EU because if we want to rejoin further down the line, they'll insist on us accepting terms they know we don't agree with, like adopting the disaster that is the Euro? Sounds like a great club to be a member of. And if we cancel Brexit now, what makes you think they won't take that as an opportunity to suggest some 'reforms' following our new found commintment to the bloc.

EU dignitaries have said over and again that there can be no reform or future accommodations, Merkel's new year speech made no mention of the fundamental reform arrogant Remainers think they can magically implement.


A reminder of the unicorns and rainbows available in the EU;


Lithuania facing a banking crisis of epic proportions


Italy close to recession according to Bloomberg, Reuters et al


Finland officially the most racist EU nation when it comes to treatment of Blacks


Record results for Danish Peoples Party & Polands Law & Justice Party.
Landslide victory for Austrian Freedom Party & Peoples Party.
2nd place for Geert Wilders, who’s immigration stance Dutch Tories aped.
LePenn best showing ever & now rating well ahead of Macron. The 2nd French far right party is polling 7%, thus far right support is 35%

Victor Orban
Czech Republic has a Trump leader.
Sweden Democrats came 3rd.
AFD won 94 seats. Social Dems worst result since 1933.
Nationalists winning in Slovenia & Estonia.


Vox Party came from nowhere to win 12 seats.


Italy run by nationalist populists.


Norway has RW coalition


Charles Michel, Belgium's PM, has told parliament that he will resign after no confidence vote over the signing the U.N. migration pact