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The EU is no guarantee of peace within Europe.
Tensions are rising between the likes of Hungary and the EU core.
It only takes one of the areas of disagreement to flare up, to light the touch paper.
The EU policy of fining dissident states does not win friends.
There are no guarantees in this world but Europe is far more peaceful since the EU than it was before!0 -
of course not and I doubt anyone is naiive enough to think it is. But its done pretty well so far and stands a better chance than a fragmented Europe surely?
A thousand years of European history does not support your conclusion.
It's only 100 years since the end of WW1 and the emergence of new national boundaries in places like Poland.
100 years later and there is a renewed sense of nationalism in a number of places.
Continue to believe that the EU is some kind of benign local UN if you want, but it's really not.0 -
Indeed. I wonder how the generation that fought in the war voted?
I would imgaine most of them are gone now and some of those that are around might be too frail to vote.
My FIL did national service after WWII and he died this year at 89 and he was too young.
But still interesting to consider what their viewpoint is or would have been.0 -
A thousand years of European history does not support your conclusion.
It's only 100 years since the end of WW1 and the emergence of new national boundaries in places like Poland.
100 years later and there is a renewed sense of nationalism in a number of places.
Continue to believe that the EU is some kind of benign local UN if you want, but it's really not.
I'd amend the sentence (in bold) to say 'It's only 100 years since the end of the First World War and the regaining of independence in places like Poland.'
Before that Poland was carved up between three repressive empires, the worst of which were the Prussians (Germans) and Russians. According to these empires, it in fact ceased to exist on maps, and efforts were made to suppress the language, and so on. It endured those empires for more than 100 years and only regained independence with great difficulty, due to the fall of the empires. (Note that before the partitions it was a powerful nation for many centuries, though it had little to do with Britain.)0 -
I'd amend the sentence (in bold) to say 'It's only 100 years since the end of the First World War and the regaining of independence in places like Poland.'
Before that Poland was carved up between three repressive empires, the worst of which were the Prussians (Germans) and Russians. It suffered under those empires for more than 100 years and only regained independence with great difficulty, due to the fall of those empires. (And before the partitions it was a powerful nation for many centuries, though it had little to do with Britain.)
Yes.....and that's why the EU was created. It provides a democratic forum by which states resolve their trade disputes and power struggles thereby avoiding war. Exactly the reason Poland joined!
https://polandin.com/38781030/majority-of-poles-say-no-to-polexit-poll0 -
I'd amend the sentence (in bold) to say 'It's only 100 years since the end of the First World War and the regaining of independence in places like Poland.'
Before that Poland was carved up between three repressive empires, the worst of which were the Prussians (Germans) and Russians. According to these empires, it in fact ceased to exist on maps, and efforts were made to suppress the language, and so on. It endured those empires for more than 100 years and only regained independence with great difficulty, due to the fall of the empires. (Note that before the partitions it was a powerful nation for many centuries, though it had little to do with Britain.)
and for a lot of countries which unlike the UK have been under repressive regimes in living memory, the EU protects their independence. They may be not keen on immigration, but they don't want out of the EU.
Its only a country so far removed from the experience of genuinely living under a repressive regime that people could possibly buy the idea that the EU is like that.0
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