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  • kabayiri
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    BobQ wrote: »
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    If a remainer said "I suspect" that after Brexit UK growth will decline they would have been told that was project fear, but when you say "I suspect" the rebate will go its true. Double standards methinks?

    Nope. It's just obvious.

    The EU is comprised of 28 competing states.

    It is obvious that individual states will maximise the discomfort of a state which remains in a weakened manner. That's politics.

    I'm surprised you can't see it. More a case of blinkers methinks.

    Btw, I made no comment on post-Brexit growth. It will be hard to carve out a new future post-Brexit, but our young might manage to find places here to live, which is a bonus.
  • kabayiri
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    "What deal should the UK have with the EU going forward?" With a single transferable vote answer of:
    WTO
    Mays deal with backstop
    Full EU membership.

    Covers all the bases?

    You can't offer May's deal if Parliament won't back it.

    It will just widen the division between the voters and MPs.

    By all means, put the May deal to Parliament first.
  • kabayiri
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    Herzlos wrote: »
    We don't know why we voted to leave, though the most common reason seems to be immigration.
    ...

    No. Mass migration which has put pressure on local services already devastated by years of cuts. It doesn't really matter where the numbers come from.

    There has been no let up in pressure since the 2016 vote. The voters are clearly fed up.

    Corbyn doesn't care. It's probably quite cozy in London.
  • kabayiri wrote: »
    No. Mass migration which has put pressure on local services already devastated by years of cuts. It doesn't really matter where the numbers come from..

    The solution to that is to reverse the cuts.

    Not to starve the UK of the vital labour force that the economy so desperately requires after we failed to breed enough of our own young people for the last 50 years.
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”

    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • BobQ wrote: »
    I have posted it before.......

    I would ask Q1: Remain / Leave


    Why?

    We have already had that question.
  • Arklight wrote: »

    Brexit just needs to be cancelled then we can get on with absorbing the Brexiteer tantrums and getting on with life.



    Oh the irony.
    We have been dealing with remainer tantrums for the last two and a half years.
  • Herzlos
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    Oh the irony.
    We have been dealing with remainer tantrums for the last two and a half years.

    We've seen more brexiteers tantrums than remainer. You won, get over it already!
  • Herzlos wrote: »
    We've seen more brexiteers tantrums than remainer. You won, get over it already!


    What you have seen is people unhappy with the losers trying to manufacture a way to remain, and people unhappy with governments not listening. All to common in Europe at the moment, and people are fed up with it.


  • BobQ
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    BobQ wrote: »
    Or as LEAVER Michael Gove said in May 2016

    "It should be win-win for us and it will be if we vote to leave and we can maintain free trade, stop sending money and also have control of our borders"
    He said "if ... we can", NOT "we will". Please try to understand the difference. ;)

    No he said If we vote to leave ........we .........can maintain free trade etc

    It is you that does not understand. Maybe English is your second language?
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • BobQ
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    kabayiri wrote: »
    You can't offer May's deal if Parliament won't back it.

    It will just widen the division between the voters and MPs.

    By all means, put the May deal to Parliament first.

    Actually you can if Parliament decides it should be an option in a referendum which was the context for the comment.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
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