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EFTA could possibly be a way forward but it won't be enough for remain supporting MPs.0 -
What part of
didn't you understand? :rotfl:
https://news.sky.com/story/european-court-of-justice-rules-uk-can-unilaterally-revoke-article-50-and-halt-brexit-11576865
Hard times for the hard brexit acolytes.
There's no majority for it anywhere in parliament, the ERG extremists have been put back in their box and the ECJ has just provided the necessary input for a temporary suspension of Art.50.
Excellent.
Yo do understand difference between revoking article 50 and extending it.0 -
No it hasn't, it's the continuous attempts at thwarting Brexit from some of those opposed to leaving the EU that is doing the damage by showing the UK to be so divided.It already has, whether you want to dispute it or not.
That's just a downright lie when just yesterday Jeremy Hunt is reported as sayingNo-one is trying to claim it's an economic benefit any more.
He might not be the Messiah but he's not "no-one"."The UK will “flourish and prosper” even if it walks away from the EU without a deal, Jeremy Hunt has insisted.
Now if those first two comments in your post are so obviously untrue why should anybody pay any attention the the rest because in all likelihood it's just more untruths.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/12/15/jeremy-hunt-uk-will-flourish-prosper-walks-away-eu-without-deal/0 -
As a remainer all they know is that they want things to stay the same.Yo do understand difference between revoking article 50 and extending it.
Forever!
With not a hint of understanding as to why they are thought to be hypocritical by Brexiters when they insist that these want a return to days gone by.
That one not only ignores the word "can" when that means the possibility is there and not that the UK will, but they also ignore that all 27 EU countries must agree to an extension too.
They can't agree on budgets, migrants or a million-and-one other things yet these dreamers believe that they will agree on an extension, which will have to be done quickly if at all.
Then they have the audacity to accuse Brexiters of a unicorn syndrome.
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What's your thoughts on Mays deal should Labour get behind it.
Right now I would prefer a second referendum. May's deal is the worst of all worlds.
If it had a permanent customs Union I would say they should support but it does not. Labour are in as difficut a position as the Tories. If they reject May's deal they are accused of playing politics and if they support a bad deal wins.On balance I would like them to vote against the deal and seek the second referendum This country is about to be be seriously damaged by May's inept handing of a difficult situation. Not sure it matters whether we have a bad deal or no deal.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Problem with customs union I don't think EU would agree to it without FOM ECJ so does not respect referendum result. Personally I'd settle for Mays deal it seems a reasonable compromise although the backstop is worrying and I can see why brexiters don't like it.Right now I would prefer a second referendum. May's deal is the worst of all worlds.
If it had a permanent customs Union I would say they should support but it does not. Labour are in as difficut a position as the Tories. If they reject May's deal they are accused of playing politics and if they support a bad deal wins.On balance I would like them to vote against the deal and seek the second referendum This country is about to be be seriously damaged by May's inept handing of a difficult situation. Not sure it matters whether we have a bad deal or no deal.0 -
We have diminished influence going forward, whatever happens.
That is quite clear.
Recent events have demonstrated that the other EU states do not believe in the UK commitment to the project.
Listen, be honest. Don't pretend to voters that Remaining is going to maintain anything. It has no guarantees. I suspect the rebate will go, and the push for Euro adoption to get much stronger.
Obviously we have a diminishing influence. That started when we started moaning about everything the EU did. It was not helped by a UK press full of fake news about the EU.
A referendum can only guage opinion on one day, of course change happens.
"I suspect" you make too much of the things that could happen. We should have waited till they actually happened instead of spreading fake news that 40m Romanian and Bulgarians were poised to enter the UK.
If a remainer said "I suspect" that after Brexit UK growth will decline they would have been told that was project fear, but when you say "I suspect" the rebate will go its true. Double standards methinks?Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Right now I would prefer a second referendum.
Out of interest what question would you ask and what options would you give?
I am in a whatsapp group with strong remainer friends, they can't even come close to agreeing between themselves what it should be and I haven't seen any examples of questions and voting systems that don't look like they will be heavily attacked by at least one side for bias (and therefore been seen as illegitimate).
So with the whole 'second referendum' thing I am worried we are just embarking on yet another debate with no end.0 -
The 1st referendum had very clear options - IN and OUT.
OUT means leaving single market, customs union etc.
There is no public mandate for seeking "deals" from EU.
Just because establishments did not like the LEAVE outcome, they tried to muddle the water by asking "what exactlying out means".
Or as LEAVER Michael Gove said in May 2016
"It should be win-win for us and it will be if we vote to leave and we can maintain free trade, stop sending money and also have control of our borders"Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Hi,
has nobody started a poll on this, or did I miss it?0
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