If there is a second referendum ...

adindas

movilogo wrote: »

OK, I understand. So the net recipient country would receive a one off bonus payment from EU in their leaving do?

And large percentage of it come from UK taxpayers. Unfortunately it also comes from my pocket

MobileSaver

adindas wrote: »

please provide direct quotation where on text from the link sent by MobiSaver that there is an acknowledgement of legal liability to pay the divorce settlement (EUR39bil).

Talk about moving the goal posts! How can anyone prove something demonstrably false? I never said we had a legal liability of 39 billion. The Briefing I linked specifically stated it was only "legal" when approved by Parliament and that it was based on future agreements in return for benefits to the UK.

I specifically stated that the "divorce bill" is made up of two parts; our existing liabilities unaffected by Brexit plus any future agreements we make for future benefits. You do not seem to be able to comprehend this simple distinction...

adindas wrote: »

If you could get that number I will be more than happy to provide the link to that news. Otherwise try harder.

You claimed the consensus in parliament was that the UK did not have to pay anything but now you will not provide proof unless I can persuade 10 MSEers to all say the same thing... Yeah, right, you clearly are a troll.

LHW99

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/

This article discusses many of the ins and outs of the divorce bill payment.
and has a link to a House of Lords report, indicating that the EU may not be able to enforce payment. However, since the size of the payment is agreed by both sides, assuming we do not just drop out at the end of March, then it seems likely that the UK would comply with the payment agreement.

Enterprise_1701C

So how come the european investment bank gets to keep our 3.1 billion pounds until 2054.

Personally I think we should pay the divorce bill after taking off eu liabilities to the UK starting with the above and then going through the contributions we made to various buildings which we will no longer have use of and going through everything down to and including the wine cellar and the art portfolio.

After all, it is a divorce so we should get our share of the joint property.

After that, there is the eu debt to the nhs of about £2.5 billlion , the bill for out of work eu immigrants is about £5 billion for the past 7 years, space agency assets, unpaid student loans, prisoners we have been blocked from deporting, and the billions poured into falsely represented infrastructure in other countries etc etc.

I am pretty sure the eu owes us atleast £50 billion.

MobileSaver

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

then going through the contributions we made to various buildings which we will no longer have use of a

On that basis we should obviously repay the EU for all the "Funded by the EU" infrastructure projects in the UK over the last 40 years or perhaps this suggestion is as ridiculous as yours?

Enterprise_1701C

MobileSaver wrote: »

On that basis we should obviously repay the EU for all the "Funded by the EU" infrastructure projects in the UK over the last 40 years or perhaps this suggestion is as ridiculous as yours?

The buldings to which I refer are the 25 million odd square feet of buildings occupied by the eu parliament and commission etc so your argument is irrelevant

adindas

MobileSaver wrote: »

You claimed the consensus in parliament was that the UK did not have to pay anything but now you will not provide proof unless I can persuade 10 MSEers to all say the same thing... Yeah, right, you clearly are a troll.

Yes a troll for those for those who are too stupid to see that I am using a real ID. Not a newly created ID.

The link you provide you previously just confirming what I have been always saying. If UK wanted to to pay EUR39 bil it is just a gesture of a good will in exchange of a good trade deal. But there is no legal requirement for that.

So repeat if you could get 10 No of remoaners who wanted to know that there is admission from UK parliament that UK do not need to pay the divorce bill (EUR 39 bil) in no deal scenario I will give you the link. Otherwise search it try harder ...

buglawton

That's right, the UK's subscriptions helped build the EU 'golf course' and it's clubhouse. I propose we have a real estate and assets auction of the bits that a smaller EU no longer will need, and the UK gets a refund.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

buglawton wrote: »

That's right, the UK's subscriptions helped build the EU 'golf course' and it's clubhouse. I propose we have a real estate and assets auction of the bits that a smaller EU no longer will need, and the UK gets a refund.

I'll tell you what, how about you convince someone you know to try that logic next time they leave a gym or golf club membership, and once the laughing dies down tell us how they got on...:rotfl:

Herzlos

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

So how come the european investment bank gets to keep our 3.1 billion pounds until 2054.

Because that's when our share of the money gets paid back. It's an investment bank - the money has been invested out and is being repaid gradually, our £3.1bn isn't just sitting in a vault.


Presumably we could push to get it paid back faster but there are nuanced issues to do with risk and liabilities etc that may prevent it. Ditto for offsetting it against other things we owe the EU for.


A breakdown of the liabilities would really help clarify things though. Then we can decide which bits we want to pay and which bits we want to risk the EU's wrath over.