If there is a second referendum ...

Thrugelmir

Kohoutek wrote: »

If you mean the £39bn, it's just the UK's share of certain parts of the EU budget which were agreed by the UK before Brexit.

There's no budget for pension liabilities etc. This is paid out of future yet to be agreed contributions. The €39 settles all liabilities in full. There's no contractual agreement to pay.

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There's no budget for pension liabilities etc.

We've been deferring payment of pension liabilities for years. If nobody is claiming the pension then having the money sitting there in an EU bank account is a bit silly.

They are "punishing" us by asking us to now pay what we had already deferred.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Time to stand firm.

You think doubling down on acting like idiots is going to work out for the better?

lisyloo wrote: »

I thought it as 52%.
Why do you think it's a minority?

It's 51.9% of 72.21% of registered voters that want to leave. The majority either aren't registered, didn't express a preference either way, or said they didn't want to leave.

Of the 66,797,827 residents of the UK, only 17,410,742 voted to leave, which is 26.06%.

Like Nigel Farage said, a 52/48 split is unfinished business and we would need a second referendum as it doesn't give a clear enough mandate.

One quarter of the country is dictating that the whole country should be worse off. That can't be right.

gfplux

adindas wrote: »

This is completely misleading. UK do not owe EU a penny.
If UK is willing to pay it is a gesture of goodwill in exchange for a good trade deal

For that reason paying EUR39 bil and get nothing is a very bad deal.

Remember this is a consensus in the parliament and international lawyers.

Instead UK have a claim over EU assets. due to one of the largest net contributors for over a few decades.

That is your opinion. However it is not the opinion of the British Government. There are contractually binding commitments and they have to be honoured.

gfplux

What is so bad about the withdrawal/transition period/outline political declaration, Deal.

The withdrawal part gets Britain out and covers money owed to the EU

The transition period (strangely called the implementation period by the British Government) allows 21 months to negotiate the trade deal with the EU. Which we have been told is going to be quick and easy.

The outline political declaration is the basis for the trade negotiations.

Why is that such a bad deal?


If there were to be another referendum and one of the questions is
Vote for the deal as there are no valid reasons to not like the deal it would win.

gfplux

Another question would have to be.

If Britain were to leave without a deal and trade on WTO terms should there be another referendum to take back control from the WTO.

MobileSaver

adindas wrote: »

What make you think you are better than the people in the parliaments who explicitly said in no deal scenario UK does not need to pay at all?

Nonsense. Even the Brexiteer's Chief Clown, Boris Johnson, has admitted the "divorce bill" has to be paid although he wants to withhold half until a deal is done.

adindas wrote: »

Unbelievable that some people could easily hand over EUR39 bil without getting anything or very less in return.

Some of the EUR39 billion is up for negotiation but some is to pay our existing liabilities and commitments which are nothing to do with whether we leave the EU or not.

Unbelievable that some people could think we could renege on our existing agreements and then become a valued and trusted partner with other countries and be able to negotiate great trade deals..

mayonnaise

ess0two wrote: »

What a ridiculous post, perhaps the remainers could leave if they're so unhappy.

We're staying. Just to annoy you.

kabayiri

MobileSaver wrote: »

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Some of the EUR39 billion is up for negotiation but some is to pay our existing liabilities and commitments which are nothing to do with whether we leave the EU or not.
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The discussion is framed in inflammatory words because the money is not being compartmentalized.

IMO, every EU member state should pay for the pension commitments of their EU staff proportion, whether they are still members or not.

That should be defined in an operational budget, and not expressed in this 39bn.

The remaining money (which I believe is the bulk) should be broken down for public understanding, and presented alongside the significant EU assets the UK holds. If people see a remuneration plan for the assets, alongside a payment plan for the liabilities, it is easier to accept.

Takedap

adindas wrote: »

What make you guys so confidence that you are better than these people who are professional in their fields??

This from a Leaver????? Oh the absolute irony.....

adindas

MobileSaver wrote: »

Nonsense. Even the Brexiteer's Chief Clown, Boris Johnson, has admitted the "divorce bill" has to be paid although he wants to withhold half until a deal is done.

Some of the EUR39 billion is up for negotiation but some is to pay our existing liabilities and commitments which are nothing to do with whether we leave the EU or not.

Unbelievable that some people could think we could renege on our existing agreements and then become a valued and trusted partner with other countries and be able to negotiate great trade deals..

Yes nonsense from a person who think they are better than the people in the UK parliament. They are better than UK international lawyers. No wonder remoaners to be blamed.

Unless you are a very well known international lawyers, when talking about a legally binding international agreement the consensus of international lawyers are matter and personal opinion is absurd.

Would you please spell it out let the forum know. Repeat and repeat it many times so people will not forget it.

What is the decision in the UK parliament about the divorce fee of EUR39bil ??

It is officially published in many UK the newspapers a while ago..

What Boris said does not matter in this case

No wonder this attitude from remoaners tied up one hand of the UK negotiators.
Unbelievable some people want to hand over EUR39bil without getting anything or very little out of it. It is also my money ...

Takedap wrote: »

This from a Leaver????? Oh the absolute irony.....

Oh yes irony for those who think they are better than international lawyers in this case. Who think EUR39 bil is not a lot of money

Thrugelmir wrote: »

There's no budget for pension liabilities etc. This is paid out of future yet to be agreed contributions. The €39 settles all liabilities in full. There's no contractual agreement to pay.

Some remonaers thinks that they are better than the people in the UK parliament. They are better than UK international lawyers.