If there is a second referendum ...

gfplux

What is so bad about the withdrawal/transition period/outline political declaration, Deal.

The withdrawal part gets Britain out and covers money owed to the EU

The transition period (strangely called the implementation period by the British Government) allows 21 months to negotiate the trade deal with the EU. Which we have been told is going to be quick and easy.

The outline political declaration is the basis for the trade negotiations.

Why is that such a bad deal?

movilogo

Yesterday's events in parliament effectively killed 2nd ref.

If EU doesn't negotiate on backstop, then it is effectively "managed" No-Deal.

Takedap

It looks like Mrs May is going to adopt the traditional British approach when dealing with Johnny Foreigner.



If he doesn't understand, say the same thing over & over again. But slower & LOUDER....



He'll soon get it.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

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So you think we'd get the EMA or our opt outs back if we rejoined?

The process for joining/rejoining is certainly a lot clearer than leaving !

I think that the EU parliament as a body could take a different direction without the influence of the UK.

You or I just don't know the political and economic pressures which will be in place in a few years from now.

The EMA is gone, but then, I am not particularly bothered.

movilogo

If he doesn't understand, say the same thing over & over again. But slower & LOUDER....

I am waiting for EU to become tired and kick UK out. But they won't do that because they need the £££.

Filo25

kabayiri wrote: »

The process for joining/rejoining is certainly a lot clearer than leaving !

I think that the EU parliament as a body could take a different direction without the influence of the UK.

You or I just don't know the political and economic pressures which will be in place in a few years from now.

The EMA is gone, but then, I am not particularly bothered.

I agree I think the EU could take a different direction without the UK's presence.

It is almost like we did have some influence all along.....

mayonnaise

movilogo wrote: »

I am waiting for EU to become tired and kick UK out. But they won't do that because they need the £££.

They got tired of our shenanigans a long time ago, and now arrived at the point where they'd rather have no deal than to re-open the WD agreement again.

We are not going to surrender the integrity of the single market ... There will be a price to pay, but the calculus that is being made on this side of the Channel is that the price of hurting the single market will be significantly bigger. And therefore if we have a choice to make between two evils, well then no deal is the lesser evil.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/guy-verhofstadt-brexit-no-deal-breakthrough-depends-on-future-relationship/

AlanP_2

Arklight wrote: »

Yes sure you did. Because everyone who voted Remain assumed that if Leave won it wouldn't matter because the EU would let us carry on having all the advantages of staying with none of the things Leave didn't like.

Can you please explain the logic here as I am totally lost.

I voted Remain because I assumed that if Leave won it would really, really matter as we wouldn't be in the EU and, therefore, would lose all the advantages that we currently enjoy.

It was difficult to work out what were the things Leave didn't like, apart from immigration and a vague "loss of control" idea that has never been articulated properly or explained.

buglawton

So in todays news, in response to the 'negotiate the Backstop again' vote, the EU has come back with: 'It's May's original agreed deal or no deal'.

Does there now need to be a 'reply vote' in Parliament, to choose between those 2? I hope so because we need our MPs to nail their colours to the mast on that final point.

movilogo

They got tired of our shenanigans a long time ago, and now arrived at the point where they'd rather have no deal than to re-open the WD agreement again.

Let it be then.

Till now it was remainer rebels who flexed their muscles in the parliament. But from yesterday it is the leavers who are in forefront now. Even No Deal is no longer a dirty word.

This is a big change for EU.