If there is a second referendum ...

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not saying a referendum isn't the highest order in a democratic nation, I just don't get this concept that democracy requires a decision to be acted upon before asking if it was a good idea. Particularly one with irreversible consequences.

Nothing I've read on democracy mentions it. Can you cite anything?

You have no proof that the consequences are irreversible.

Both parties would deal with the situation and conditions in place at the time.

BikingBud

movilogo wrote: »

CU is a "customized" version of something. There is no automatic inclusion or exclusion of anything - all depends on what agreement is made between UK & EU.


So, CU post Brexit may or may not include FOM.

POST BREXIT - So we leave and break all ties and then negotiate?

BikingBud

Herzlos wrote: »

People's vote as in by the public and not parliament. What would you call it?

A fit up?

A betrayal?

A complete lack of integrity

A vacuum of moral courage?

A collection of self-interested narcissistic egotists that cannot deliver what the Nation voted for and they confirmed they would deliver?

LHW99

People's vote as in by the public and not parliament. What would you call it?

A second referendum!!

Kohoutek

adindas wrote: »

Keep in mind. Canada, a small country could get a deal quite similar to single market with EU without paying a single penny, no freedom of movement.

Canada's deal is nothing like the single market, that's why.

It's far worse than the being a member of the EU or EEA (single market w/o EU). It includes nothing on services (e.g. financial services) or customs checks (relevant to manufacturing supply chains), which wouldn't work for the UK economy.

adindas

Kohoutek wrote: »

Canada's deal is nothing like the single market, that's why.

It's far worse than the being a member of the EU or EEA (single market w/o EU). It includes nothing on services (e.g. financial services) or customs checks (relevant to manufacturing supply chains), which wouldn't work for the UK economy.

It is like a single market minus Financial services. In manufacturing all Canada need is to comply with EU standard which is very easy to achieve.

TM deal also does not include financial services. is it ?
UK will pay EU with EUR39 bil for divorce bill the money that should not be paid without a good deal based on parliamentary advise and international lawyers. Plus EUR 9 ps for at least two years.

Extremely bad negotiation

Kohoutek

adindas wrote: »

It is like a single market minus Financial services. In manufacturing all Canada need is to comply with EU standard which is very easy to achieve.

TM deal also does not include financial services. is it ?
UK will pay EU with EUR39 bil for divorce bill the money that should not be paid without a good deal based on parliamentary advise and international lawyers. Plus EUR 9 ps for at least two years.

Extremely bad negotiation

No it's not. It's a trade deal. The single market is basically an agreement to align all kinds of regulations, covering many industries.

The Canada deal doesn't cover any services, not just financial services. The manufacturing part wouldn't work for the UK because big UK manufacturers (cars, aviation) have supply chains across the EU.

The TM deal is a transitional deal, not a permanent deal. It just keeps us in the EU in all but name for a bit longer.

adindas

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm not saying a referendum isn't the highest order in a democratic nation, I just don't get this concept that democracy requires a decision to be acted upon before asking if it was a good idea. Particularly one with irreversible consequences.

Nothing I've read on democracy mentions it. Can you cite anything?

Keep in mind there is already an EU referendum, where the result has not been implemented.


Before you ask your question, you will need to provide example first could you find any example where the second EU referendum is demanded before even the result of the first legitimate referendum have been implemented.??

France for instance under Macron, they even kill the seed before they grow stronger, very undemocratic. Another good reason to leave EU

Also there are not many examples (if any) the second referendum is demanded just in two years’ time before the result of first referendum is implemented.

Also, the second referendum will cost the taxpayers money, are the remoaners going to pay for it??

Herzlos

That's exactly what we're talking about.
A decision was made 2 years ago, no-one knows how to achieve it or what it actually means, every outcome involves significant damage and there's a lot of pressure to find doubt what we should do.
That sounds like a pretty good reason to ask what kind of brexit we actually want to me. I don't see why we should leave (for some kind of leave) before asking what kind of leave people want, or how asking the people can be anti-democratic.
I understand there's a fear that the people will keep being asked the question until they get "the right answer" but that isn't happening here, and theres never been an instance of it in the EU.

kabayiri wrote: »

You have no proof that the consequences are irreversible.

Both parties would deal with the situation and conditions in place at the time.

So you think we'd get the EMA or our opt outs back if we rejoined?

mayonnaise

A conversation with a Brexiteer.

Kohoutek wrote: »

Canada's deal is nothing like the single market

adindas wrote: »

It is like a single market minus Financial services.

Kohoutek wrote: »

No it's not. It's a trade deal.

adindas wrote: »

Did I ever say Canadian style deal is a single market ??