If there is a second referendum ...

AlanP_2

adindas wrote: »

UK have helped Ireland a lot in the past. Look at what Ireland was doing the negotiation with the EU. Under the weak leadership from Theresa May UK have been insulted by small nation.

The mission to invade Ireland should be on the table. That is the cheapest solution to solve the border with northern Ireland.

So just let me check that I have understood you correctly.

To make it easier for us to get a "better" leave deal from the EU we should declare war on, and then invade an EU country?

Unbelievable logic there.

scaredofdebt

movilogo wrote: »

I did lose my job in 2008-9 recession. We were inside EU then. Economy goes up and down. There is no guarantee we shall be better off inside EU.

Indeed. But leaving the EU may affect the economy negatively, no deal almost certainly will.

For what gain? Not much from what I can see.

adindas

AlanP wrote: »

So just let me check that I have understood you correctly.

To make it easier for us to get a "better" leave deal from the EU we should declare war on, and then invade an EU country?

Unbelievable logic there.

How could you know if you have not put that option on the table.

andrewf75

adindas wrote: »

How could you know if you have not put that option on the table.

I think you need to explain what you mean if you want anyone to take you seriously!

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

Yes it truly is. The Immigratio level, especially from the EU, could be regarded as a measure of how well the economy is performing.

Or that pay rates are somewhat higher than back home in Eastern Europe. Retail/service sector may take a sizable hit at some point in the future.

Filo25

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Or that pay rates are somewhat higher than back home in Eastern Europe. Retail/service sector may take a sizable hit at some point in the future.

Yes but it doesn't really matter what salary levels are here if you can't get a job when you come here.

BLB53

For what gain? Not much from what I can see.

For a lot of people, this is not so much about economics but more about taking back control from the EU.

Some remainers say we did not vote to be poorer. Well I do not know whether we will be economically better off if/when we leave. What is important is having the freedom to do our own thing without the likes of Mr Junker saying we can't do this or that or we have to do it this way. I think for many who voted to leave, this is at the heart of the discontent.

laughbro

All sounds reasonable until you start looking at the things that the EU is stopping us doing, they seems to be proactive in pushing things- like energy saving , environmental standards, health and safety and compatibility issues.

And actually if you look at what the UK has voted for and not used our Veto in. well its very little- most of where the UK seems to disagree is in areas of Tax and Tax evasion.

Seems the people who want to privatise Britain are looking to our American 'masters' where there are health care issues, workers who dont seem to take holidays. food with questionable additives. the unregulated list goes on.

We have some of the cheapest food in the world already, I am pretty sure you can buy shoes for well under a tenner already. so I am still looking for solid benefits.

Yes I suppose there are costs to our regulatory system - but then again it is insurance that should cover us all , and a creating a healthy community.

Planet Earth is getting crowded, the same old same old cannot carry on. if there is truth the 12 year prediction, then standby the paradigm shift will take no heed of the past.

Working together to try and limit the coming challenges seems to be the only civilised way forward.


I think some of the problems seem to be with reduced housing supplies, so selling off all the social housing years ago means it has driven prices up.

We do need change of thinking on how we home people, perhaps more HIgh density areas, some very nice areas like in Hong Kong that have terrific cheap 24 hour public transport, that are relative crime free.

adindas

What about paying EUR 39 bil +EUR9 per annum ??

Herzlos wrote: »

Most of that is also a fallacy, though.
More people, especially if the increase is in people who are fit and healthy, doesn't actually drain the NHS. Those more people pay more tax, thus provide more funding.
More trade due to lower trade barriers means more jobs.

Lower barriers also make it easier for smaller businesses to run, which tend to be better for the employees.


More people with the same number of housing is going to push the cost us. Ditto more people with static infrastructure. But is that the fault of the new people or of the governments inability to invest properly in infrastructure?







We nearly did surrender to Germany. It's such a bizarre comparison though; we're not at War with the EU, and we're not being denied access to our own destiny.


How many voters were old enough now* to have been involved in either war? There does seem to be a national psyche rooted in the post-war baby boom period where kids grew up watching war movies.


I'm not sure what I'd do with the wars, particularly without the benefit of hindsight. I'd likely have agreed with both of them - there's a lot of trouble on our doorstep and we need to keep our allies and selves safe. Both wars would have affected us badly, and neither was of our own making.




*If you were born in 1930, you'd have been 9 when the war started, 15 when it ended and have some memory of it. It'd also make you 86 when the referendum happened. Average UK left expectancy is ~80.5 years.

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

Yes but it doesn't really matter what salary levels are here if you can't get a job when you come here.

Enough cash in hand work if you've the right contacts.