The fate of May?

zarf2007

Mr_Costcutter wrote: »

It wouldn't have Parliament's vote .....

your source for this?

Moby

zarf2007 wrote: »

oh I'm sure the EU would suddenly take note if we said we were leaving without a deal and not paying them the £39bn they were expecting.....but I doubt anyone has the balls to do that.

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/brexiters-told-to-try-walking-away-with-no-deal-in-everyday-life-and-see-how-that-works-for-them-20181121179706

andrewf75

zarf2007 wrote: »

but do we actually owe that? because legally we don't owe anything. Do you think anyone would give a toss if trump did the same? no because they would still need to trade with the US. The same applies to us.

The problem here is spineless remainers who cannot accept a democratic vote that they LOST, undermining the very country they live in by bowing down to those corrupt idiots in the EU.

You are undermining our great country by holding Trump up as an acceptable role model of how to do things!

Trade occurs across the world between countries virtually at war with each other. Very little stops trade. The idea that its OK because we can still trade is simplistic in the extreme, we're not looking to have a relationship where "its OK, because we still trade"!!

The above link from the Daily Mash really does sum it up... Sadly satire is too close to the reality these days!

zarf2007

andrewf75 wrote: »

You are undermining our great country by holding Trump up as an acceptable role model of how to do things!

Trade occurs across the world between countries virtually at war with each other. Very little stops trade. The idea that its OK because we can still trade is simplistic in the extreme, we're not looking to have a relationship where "its OK, because we still trade"!!

The above link from the Daily Mash really does sum it up... Sadly satire is too close to the reality these days!

but the reality is we don't want to sleep with these people, we want to do business with them. Maybe if we were a bit less British and terrified of what people thought of us or whether we would upset them we would actually get a good deal and be respected, because the EU clearly doesn't respect us by the way they have acted since we voted to leave.

Love him or hate him trump actually does get things done.

spadoosh

phillw wrote: »

You don't. Even countries like North Korea don't have that ability.

We have had more control over our economy inside the EU than outside. After brexit we will be more sensitive to outside influences that we can't control.

I really dont think you can say that with any kind of conviction. Do you not think had the UK never joined the EU that the UK and the EU would not have a free trade agreement in place? I highly suspect they would. That alone would wipe out your view point.

When you consider we where/are the odd one out in the EU too and the very vocal intention of the EU of greater integration suggests that the lack of integration in the bulk of economic policy by the UK in the EU would ultimately lead to problems. So i see the options of either leaving the EU or greater integration in economic policy. Unless you think the EU would be willing to let us have our cake and eat it and i wouldnt expect them too if im honest not just for the sake of this argument but its not the cohesive powerhouse the EU seems to desire as such seems inevitably incompatible.

When you do consider that and ignoring the likelihood of FTA between the UK and EU youre looking at out or in as the options. In and youre like spain who have little power to alter the unemployment rate, we can just devalue the pound to increase exports and build up employment that way. Spain cant. We can just subsidise an industry to allow it to compete against polands low wages, Spain might be able to, theyd need to ask the EU first though. Or maybe we could just reduce the impact on households by lowering VAT, Spain cant.

Theres no denying things have largely been stable under the EU but the suggestion always seems to be that it wouldve been chaos without it. Our growth in the EU is pretty much paralleled by the US growth and that of the global economy. And typically we're one of the main underlying causes of EU growth (weve grown more than germany and france like for like since joining). So i struggle to see our growth since joining being directly linked to our membership. And with the decimation of UK industry its all too easy for me to argue that economically the EU has been a disaster for us. Lets not foret that economics is about the allocation of resources not just $$dollar$$. Most of our resources are in one basket and that is a direct result of being in the EU.

spadoosh

zarf2007 wrote: »

but do we actually owe that? because legally we don't owe anything. Do you think anyone would give a toss if trump did the same? no because they would still need to trade with the US. The same applies to us.

The problem here is spineless remainers who cannot accept a democratic vote that they LOST, undermining the very country they live in by bowing down to those corrupt idiots in the EU.

Ooo i like the idea of paying them off.

Its very "keep the change, you filthy animal"

I wonder if theyd take billions in £50 notes with Nigel Farage's face on? Maybe we could get him to stand atop the eiffel tower throwing it to them.

phillw

movilogo wrote: »

We need a PM who believes in Leave and not afraid of pursuing No Deal Brexit.

Just look at the deranged MPs who believe in brexit, they wouldn't make a good PM.

zarf2007 wrote: »

but do we actually owe that? because legally we don't owe anything

Legally we do owe it. If you see brexit as a way to dismantle international law, then it's even more important that we cancel it. It sounds like you just want to give the foreigners a good pasting.

spadoosh wrote: »

I wonder if theyd take billions in £50 notes with Nigel Farage's face on? Maybe we could get him to stand atop the eiffel tower throwing it to them.

A counter offer, if the traitor threw himself off then I'd donate £50. We'd easily raise the settlement through donations.

Arklight

There are no credible pro Brexit MPs.

THE_Terry_Urr

Typical incorrect sweeping statement there.
If you were really honest you would have said "There aren't many truly credible MPs in any UK party"..

zarf2007

So May is still hanging on....I read a good article in the evening standard the other day which basically said that if May had a shred of decency and was honerable she would have resigned by now, in fact she would have resigned after that fiasco of an election where she had listened to two people who had as much knowledge of politics as your average university student.

She is not steely or stubborn she is just stupid and there is nothing to admire about that. Looks like her latest round of begging the EU will end the same way as Cameron’s, ie a big fat F off from them.

The sooner her pathetic deal is voted down the better.