The fate of May?

spadoosh

andrewf75 wrote: »

It quite possibly will whether we leave with a deal or not.

You either respect people wishes or you dont.

I am a unionist, however if parts of the union want autonomy i cant offer any valid reason why i should object to such a thing. Self governance puts your fate in your hands, it gives you control and it allows you to do what you want. I find it difficult to begrudge someone for wanting to put their fate in their own hands.

Similar arguments would ensue, the con would always be a poorer economic performance after a break up and the pro would be greater autonomy. The things is and what few remainers understand is that with autonomy comes the ability to control your economy exactly how you want. This has every opportunity of providing a more suitable and more beneficial economic model for the individual state. It will always be a case of short term pain, the reason people wont mind that is because they expect long term it will be more beneficial.

andrewf75

spadoosh wrote: »

You either respect people wishes or you dont.

I am a unionist, however if parts of the union want autonomy i cant offer any valid reason why i should object to such a thing. Self governance puts your fate in your hands, it gives you control and it allows you to do what you want. I find it difficult to begrudge someone for wanting to put their fate in their own hands.

Similar arguments would ensue, the con would always be a poorer economic performance after a break up and the pro would be greater autonomy. The things is and what few remainers understand is that with autonomy comes the ability to control your economy exactly how you want. This has every opportunity of providing a more suitable and more beneficial economic model for the individual state. It will always be a case of short term pain, the reason people wont mind that is because they expect long term it will be more beneficial.

Not saying its necessarily a bad thing. I was just responding to a post saying confidently that the UK won’t break up.

If I was Scottish I'd want independence for sure. Scotland will go its own way sooner or later anyway and Ireland will eventually be reunited.

zarf2007

lets hope the vote goes against her and this pathetic PM is removed tonight.....Boris/Rees-Mogg would be a much more powerful adversary for the EU.

Herzlos

Because you think either are competent or understand the people, or because you think they'll get the result you, personally, want?

phillw

spadoosh wrote: »

The things is and what few remainers understand is that with autonomy comes the ability to control your economy exactly how you want.

You don't. Even countries like North Korea don't have that ability.

We have had more control over our economy inside the EU than outside. After brexit we will be more sensitive to outside influences that we can't control.

andrewf75

zarf2007 wrote: »

Boris/Rees-Mogg would be a much more powerful adversary for the EU.

you really think they will back down just because some buffoon starts talking tough at them? The only reason those two can talk as they do currently is because they aren't in the position where they have to be grown ups about it. If they were, they'd either be more diplomatic or embarrass us even more. Boris lies about everything in his professional and personal life. He would certainly change his tune if he was in power. Rees Mogg I'm less sure. He is so detached from reality, but I think he is at least honest and what you see is what you get!

movilogo

you really think they will back down just because some buffoon starts talking tough at them?

TM's problem is that she belives in Remain and she went to EU with a begging bowl. We need a PM who believes in Leave and not afraid of pursuing No Deal Brexit.

If EU gets the message UK is going ahead with No Deal route, only then they will negotiate. If they don't UK can still sail with WTO rules.

smipsy

movilogo wrote: »

TM's problem is that she belives in Remain and she went to EU with a begging bowl. We need a PM who believes in Leave and not afraid of pursuing No Deal Brexit.

If EU gets the message UK is going ahead with No Deal route, only then they will negotiate. If they don't UK can still sail with WTO rules.

highly doubt it. they've made their point clear many times, and that's "we're ready for the deal as well as no deal". they prefer the UK to stay obviously, but all this dragging out is probably more problematic for the EU than the UK leaving.

after all, hitting one person in the face with a steel bat hurts that person a lot more than slapping 27 other people, and the UK may be lucky if it gets only one steel bat coming its way

Mr_Costcutter

[QUOTE=zarf2007;75174 .Boris/Rees-Mogg would be a much more powerful adversary for the

EU.[/QUOTE]

Even if the EU wished to listen to them - they do not have a plan.

andrewf75

movilogo wrote: »

TM's problem is that she belives in Remain and she went to EU with a begging bowl. We need a PM who believes in Leave and not afraid of pursuing No Deal Brexit.

If EU gets the message UK is going ahead with No Deal route, only then they will negotiate. If they don't UK can still sail with WTO rules.

TM seems to have whole heartedly embraced Leave. Can't see how belief in it makes any difference. The EU's position is crystal clear. There is nothing else they can give. And it isn't a game of poker. Everyone can see that we have a poor hand.

Every PM would be afraid of a genuine no deal. The only reason they aren't afraid now is because they're not in the position of taking responsibility for it! You only have to look at Corbyn to see how being leader changes things. He was a backbench rabble rouser opposed to everything, now as leader he tries to please everyone.