25 Brexit need-to-knows

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  • phillw
    phillw Posts: 5,595 Forumite
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    Doc_N wrote: »
    Not as simple as that. We’re not just becoming non-EU citizens like all the others. We’re becoming non-EU citizens of a state which hasn’t been able to negotiate all the international treaties required to allow the present straightforward system to continue.

    What treaties?
  • waamo
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    From 29 March 2019, if there is no EU Exit deal, cruise operations will continue on the same basis as today. Passengers who embark on a cruise at a UK port will continue to be protected by the EU regulation on maritime passengers’ rights, which will be brought into UK law .

    I really don't see how that could be any clearer.
  • Doc_N
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    waamo wrote: »
    I really don't see how that could be any clearer.

    It’s perfectly clear - so far as it goes. But it says absolutely nothing about the central point of cruising, which is the facility for easy access to and from the ship whilst visiting various ports.
  • Doc_N
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    phillw wrote: »
    What treaties?

    Sorry. That’s for an expert in international law to answer.
  • 50Twuncle
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    Thanks to John Bercow - most of this thread is irrelevant - since Brexit looks highly likely to be a NON EVENT !
    Exactly as I predicted about 6 months ago (can't find the thread) - Brexit will be cancelled
    What are all you leavers going to moan about next ?
  • peachyprice
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    Doc_N wrote: »
    I'm well aware of that 'guidance' reproduced below and it's not remotely clear if you understand how cruising operates within the rules of international treaties:

    Cruising

    From 29 March 2019, if there is no EU Exit deal, cruise operations will continue on the same basis as today. Passengers who embark on a cruise at a UK port will continue to be protected by the EU regulation on maritime passengers’ rights, which will be brought into UK law.

    Passengers should take out appropriate travel insurance, check and understand the terms and conditions of their booking, and check with their cruise line and insurance provider if they have any questions.

    Before you leave for your cruise, check online for the latest travel information and information from your cruise operator.


    It's delightfully vague, with sweeping generalisations, and makes no mention whatever of the real problem - going ashore at the various ports visited. At present there's a simple ship's card system - you're swiped in and out of the ship with your card, no passports needed. The system depends on international treaties and agreements we currently have by virtue of our EU membership. When that goes, the agreements go with it, and it's going to passports only (and within Europe we'll be non-EU members subject to further checks).

    Passport checking is a much more time consuming system than the 5 seconds taken to swipe a card by the staff on a ship. It's likely to lead to long queues getting into ports, and getting back to the ship again.

    Ok, so what happens if a non-EU citizen is on a European cruise at the moment? There has to be a system in place for RoW passport holders shore visits, or are you saying that only people with EU passports are allowed ashore because they have a 'ship's card' but RoW aren't?
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  • Doc_N
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    Ok, so what happens if a non-EU citizen is on a European cruise at the moment? There has to be a system in place for RoW passport holders shore visits, or are you saying that only people with EU passports are allowed ashore because they have a 'ship's card' but RoW aren't?

    In some cases non-EU passport holders have to go through normal passport control, which can be a lengthy process. If we have no deal that may well apply to us as well.

    The trouble is, nobody really knows.
  • waamo
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    To be fair nobody really knows if there is going to be a Brexit.
  • Doc_N
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    waamo wrote: »
    To be fair nobody really knows if there is going to be a Brexit.

    And here’s hoping the whole ridiculous thing disappears with a puff of logic.
  • waamo
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    It's more likely to disappear due to incompetence than logic.
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