SMETS 1 Meters - No More

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If your meters are external then meter fitters are not allowed to exchange meters if the occupier is nt at home, and gives permission to have smart meters fitted.
In any case you do not have to answer the door to anyone . Looks like Npower are deliberately making it difficult to cancel the appointment. It is not an appointment unless its confirmed by you and the timing is acceptable. It takes 2 to make it "an appointment "
If a meter fitter turns up on an unconfirmed visit then that is cold calling, so they can expect plenty of no access visits.

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It does say that they will only attend appointments that have been confirmed, so I'm just not confirming it. I would have cancelled if I could, but I'm definitely not re-scheduling as that would count as confirmation I want one wouldn't it?


I will have them when I incur a financial penalty for not having them.

System

MothballsWallet wrote: »

In a word, yes.

In more than one word, heck yes.

My money is on this being the last extension. Why? Two months in the greater scheme of smart meter delays is not a lot: other extensions have been much longer. The Government is also waiting for a NAO Audit on smart meter rollout costs which will no doubt be extremely critical of the programme (and by inference, the Govt). Finally, the Minister (Claire Perry) is on record as saying that we should expect the rollout programme to accelerate from the Autumn onwards. I could though be wrong.

brewerdave

Hengus wrote: »

My money is on this being the last extension. Why? Two months in the greater scheme of smart meter delays is not a lot: other extensions have been much longer. The Government is also waiting for a NAO Audit on smart meter rollout costs which will no doubt be extremely critical of the programme (and by inference, the Govt). Finally, the Minister (Claire Perry) is on record as saying that we should expect the rollout programme to accelerate from the Autumn onwards. I could though be wrong.

Sorry Hengus - but quoting the Minister -really?? The Government "spokespersons" have shown little (if any ) knowledge of the whole programme -lets hope the NAO audit really lays it on thick:)

Huge

So I have switched to Octopus Energy on a tariff that needs a smart meter for cheap overnight leccy.

I have not yet booked the install as recent news from BEIS says that suppliers MUST only install SMETS2 after December 5th, unless they have a derogation. As far as I can tell, Octopus don't, so anything after that date must be SMETS2.

Can anyone else confirm?

Anthorn

Huge wrote: »

So I have switched to Octopus Energy on a tariff that needs a smart meter for cheap overnight leccy.

I have not yet booked the install as recent news from BEIS says that suppliers MUST only install SMETS2 after December 5th, unless they have a derogation. As far as I can tell, Octopus don't, so anything after that date must be SMETS2.

Can anyone else confirm?

You might want to refuse a SMETS2 and demand a SMETS1 ROFL: It appears that while SMETS2 will allow interoperability in getting smart readings SMETS1 smart meters which have been upgraded with the new software will additionally have what OFGEM calls "Demand Side Response" which could additionally provide an ability to compare tariffs, switch tariffs, block certain tariffs and place a cap on expenditure, things which SMETS2 meters won't have.

It just keeps getting better and better doesn't it.

AndyPK

tell us more please about "Demand Side Response"

MeterMan

I believe the wording in these published articles around smet1 meters to be flawed.

I think they are saying if its not a smet2 meter then its a smet1 meter. This is just not the case. On the 5th of December, we are to stop fitting pre-smet meters. But will continue to fit 'sm1' meters until march where hopefully the issues with the sm2 meters are fixed.

System

MeterMan wrote: »

I believe the wording in these published articles around smet1 meters to be flawed.

I think they are saying if its not a smet2 meter then its a smet1 meter. This is just not the case. On the 5th of December, we are to stop fitting pre-smet meters. But will continue to fit 'sm1' meters until march where hopefully the issues with the sm2 meters are fixed.

Forgive me for correcting you. The end date for SMETS1 credit meters is the 5th December unless a derogation is in place (which suppliers ?). As published in various industry media:

Quote: The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) had previously delayed the original end date of 13 July until 5 October 2018. However, the deadline for energy suppliers (after which any new installations of these meters will not count toward rollout obligations) will now be put back a further eight weeks following an industry consultation (to which SMS Plc was a respondent).

A separate end date for pre-payment meter installations of 15 March 2019 has additionally been announced, while individual derogations have also been agreed for some energy suppliers to continue to install SMETS1 credit meters to this date. Quote

Source: sms-plc.com

thorganby

Anthorn wrote: »

You might want to refuse a SMETS2 and demand a SMETS1 ROFL: It appears that while SMETS2 will allow interoperability in getting smart readings SMETS1 smart meters which have been upgraded with the new software will additionally have what OFGEM calls "Demand Side Response" which could additionally provide an ability to compare tariffs, switch tariffs, block certain tariffs and place a cap on expenditure, things which SMETS2 meters won't have.

It just keeps getting better and better doesn't it.

Why is so much rubbish posted about smart meters!

You must be rather naive if you believe that SMETS1 meters will be "upgraded with the new software" and then have additional features over SMETS2 meters.

What new software is this and why do you think that a cut off date for installing SMETS1 meters has been agreed.

Adopting SMETS1 meters onto the DCC is at best a temporary kludge to allow supplier interoperability if possible until they are eventually replaced because the SMETS1 data protocol and hardware is different!

Demand side response is certainly not for the customers benefit.