Many letters, not even owner!

ArrowStraight

I sold a car on the 9th of April, then got 3 NTKs after that date from PPS. (I also got one from Harrow Council but my response to that seems to have worked) I didn't know about the advise to ignore them at that stage, so responded to the first one from PPS with details of the new owner (who lives at the address in question) and a copy of the sales receipt clearly showing the date of sale and signed by the new owner. A close friend told me I should have ignored them and so did the new owner of the car. I have since ignored reminders from PPS and umpteen letters from DRP, the latest of which gives me until 3/9/2018 to pay by instalments. I am slightly concerned something might happen while I am abroad, which is from 31/8/2018 to 19/9/2018. I am also unsure whether I should still be ignoring all this junk?

waamo

If there is a threat of court then ignoring things is very foolish indeed.

twhitehousescat

did you transfer the v5 to the new owner YOURSELF

how soon after the sale of the car was the first ticket recieved

ArrowStraight

I did the V5 correctly on the day and have a colour copy but, due to an oversight, did not send it to Swansea until 21/5/2018. I didn't get any tickets of course, but the first was dated 3 days after the sale.


I'm a little confused, since ignoring these things is repeated many times in the Newbies advice.

waamo

The only talk of ignoring letters are from debt collectors. Up to that point the Newbies thread is clear that things should not be ignored.

It also says the threat of court should not be ignored. You are going away for a fair chunk of time and nobody has seen the letters you have had.

You need to do something to ensure a court claim is dealt with. I would suggest telling the ppc in no uncertain terms the car had been sold and at the time of the event you were not the owner, driver or person keeping the vehicle.

ArrowStraight

So isn't DRP a debt collector?

waamo

ArrowStraight wrote: »

So isn't DRP a debt collector?

Yes. That's why I said contact the ppc. Unless you have got some arrangement in place to deal with it while you are away?

ArrowStraight

......and I already told PPS that the car was sold months ago?

waamo

ArrowStraight wrote: »

......and I already told PPS that the car was sold months ago?

What EXACTLY did you tell them and what EXACTLY did they say?

Loadsofchildren123

It's not fatal that you forgot to send the V5 in more quickly. You have the other documents saying you'd sold the car on 9 April and you've sent them that already.
Out of interest, can you show any receipt of payment for the car on or straight after 9 April and before the parking tickets? That would also help.


I think every time you get a letter, and now in response to this one, send them a copy of your original letter with this:


To the debt collectors:


Dear Sirs,


Ref:


I refer to your letter of x.


This matter concerns three parking tickets issued to the vehicle after I had sold it to a third party on 9 April 2018. I have already told your client this in a letter dated x and have provided proof of the sale on that date.


I cannot therefore be responsible for the parking tickets since I was neither the driver nor the owner of the car at the time they were issued.


This is harassment. Please stop contacting me. You are also breaching my data protection rights by retaining and processing my data.


Yours faithfully
x


To the PPC:


Dear Sirs


Ref:


Yet again I have received a letter from agents acting on your behalf in relation to three PCNs for which I cannot be responsible as I was neither the driver nor the keeper of the car at the time. I have already produced evidence to you that I sold the car on 9 April 2018 (copy letter enclosed). Furthermore, I told you who the new owner was.


Do not write to me again. Do not get your agents to write to me again. This is harassment. It is also a breach of my data protection rights for you to continue to retain and process my data and to disseminate it to third parties.


If you are going to issue a claim, then let's just get this over and done with. Don't pass it round debt collectors and chase me for months or years. Just get on and issue a claim so I can defend it and so that I can counterclaim against you for damages for harassment and breaches of the Data Protection Act.


This is the [2nd/3rd/4th.... whatever] time I have written to you in these terms.


Yours faithfully








Then keep on sending those letters every time you get a new letter. Again and again.

Loadsofchildren123

I favour engaging in this manner rather than ignoring the debt collectors where there is no claim. I know this is what others advise, but there is no claim here and you should just keep telling them that. If they do then issue a claim you are well placed to argue for costs under 27.14(2)(b)