Smoking in garden

Red-Squirrel_2

Lioness_Twinkletoes wrote: »

I was waiting for someone to mention him...pretty irrelevant to the OP

I wasn't responding to the OP.

Red-Squirrel_2

catflap11 wrote: »

Thanks for that, a little unsure how it is my responsibility to look after someone else's kids?

We all have a level of responsibility to all other people.

spadoosh

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

We all have a level of responsibility to all other people.

Looking forward to the answer to this one.

To what level am i responsible for others? Youre telling me i have a level of responsibility, please point me to the definitions of that level.

Or are you just making stuff up to virtue signal?

Red-Squirrel_2

spadoosh wrote: »

Looking forward to the answer to this one.

To what level am i responsible for others? Youre telling me i have a level of responsibility, please point me to the definitions of that level.

Or are you just making stuff up to virtue signal?

Are you serious? You can't really be saying that none of us have any responsibility towards our fellow human beings?

spadoosh

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Are you serious? You can't really be saying that none of us have any responsibility towards our fellow human beings?

Answer the question and ill agree with it. I suspect you cant give an answer though.

Thats the reality of the situation. Im not a dreamer of fantasist. I appreciate we could live in a world where people are courteous of others etc but unfortunately, at least for me anyway, thats not a world i live in.

Yes i pick up litter, yes i dont go out of my way to harm others. Yes i try and be considerate when smoking, i do voluntary work and make charitable donations. I try and look after the vulnerable. etc etc etc but then im happy buying my ps4 which i know effects the lives of others (rare earth metal mining) happy to drive me car as and when needed (by my definition of need, i do try to reduce it by cycling my 13 mile commute)

This social responsibility you talk of though simply does not exist as an ingrained part of human nature. If it was, we wouldnt have wars, people wouldnt go hungry, wouldnt be poisoned by my desire to have a mobile phone.

I do believe that no one has any responsibility towards others. Some take the responsibility upon them self (me included.... to a level) but then others just completely abstain them self from it. So no i dont think we all have a responsibility to others. Some choose to take on that responsibility others do not.

Grezz24

well this thread has really escalated since it was first posted!

I think the answers in short are:

1. You could move to the other side of the garden to please your neighbor at the slightly inconvenient task of slippers / walking on grass etc.
2. you could tell them to jog on and keep their window shut / its your garden you can do what you want.

Personal opinion is i wouldn't want my son to inhale second hand smoke through his window when it was open, if i was to ask a neighbor to move to the other side of the garden i would imagine they would just do it as its a perfectly reasonable request to make, and an easy fix to implement.

How awkward you and your neighbor want to be is upto you both.

Red-Squirrel_2

spadoosh wrote: »

Answer the question and ill agree with it. I suspect you cant give an answer though.

Thats the reality of the situation. Im not a dreamer of fantasist. I appreciate we could live in a world where people are courteous of others etc but unfortunately, at least for me anyway, thats not a world i live in.

Yes i pick up litter, yes i dont go out of my way to harm others. Yes i try and be considerate when smoking, i do voluntary work and make charitable donations. I try and look after the vulnerable. etc etc etc but then im happy buying my ps4 which i know effects the lives of others (rare earth metal mining) happy to drive me car as and when needed (by my definition of need, i do try to reduce it by cycling my 13 mile commute)

This social responsibility you talk of though simply does not exist as an ingrained part of human nature. If it was, we wouldnt have wars, people wouldnt go hungry, wouldnt be poisoned by my desire to have a mobile phone.

I do believe that no one has any responsibility towards others. Some take the responsibility upon them self (me included.... to a level) but then others just completely abstain them self from it. So no i dont think we all have a responsibility to others. Some choose to take on that responsibility others do not.

Social responsibility is what has enabled us to succeed as a species! We wouldn't be able to co exist in the numbers we do in such close proximity to each other without it.

We pay taxes, we don't drink and drive, we obey the law and maintain order, we vote, we raise our children to be polite and to consider other people, we avoid doing harm, we respect property, we follow rules, we call the police if we see a crime being committed or an ambulance if we see someone get hurt.

That a minority choose to opt out of this collective responsibility doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

spadoosh

Red-Squirrel wrote: »

Social responsibility is what has enabled us to succeed as a species! We wouldn't be able to co exist in the numbers we do in such close proximity to each other without it.

We pay taxes, we don't drink and drive, we obey the law and maintain order, we vote, we raise our children to be polite and to consider other people, we avoid doing harm, we respect property, we follow rules, we call the police if we see a crime being committed or an ambulance if we see someone get hurt.

That a minority choose to opt out of this collective responsibility doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Id take the different angle that personal responsibility has got us where we are today. Its pretty basic synergy, pack mentality and that. I suspect the real driver is the basic instinct of survival with a realisation that 2 is better than 1. Ultimately though when it comes down to it more often than not the one will prioritise them over the 2. The people who give away everything to be socially responsible are probably fewer in number than those who abstain from any social responsibility. We are inherently selfish that is whats allowed us to survive.

The thing is you say all of this but your actions do not. You pay taxes that goes to a government that manufactures weapons for regimes that murder women and children. You pay taxes to a government that dictate the needs of individual and prioritise on what can only be described as an ad hoc basis. You dont really avoid doing harm by using a combustion engine, your lifes simplicities directly cause harm to others but its normally only justified by wilful ignorance or it keeps the money rolling in so we can help them further down the line?!

Not to mention there is societal consequences of not complying with those responsibilities. Dont pay tax, you go to jail, drink and drive you go to jail/kill yourself, if you dont vote you have no influence on what youre voting for, raise polite children in the hope other are polite to yours, obey laws because youll be sanctioned otherwise, avoid doing harm because theres a risk of retalliation, respect property in the hope other s will respect yours. Theres always an ulterior motive to find.

And how far does this social responsibility extend, fellow humans? Yet you live in a country where you have a distinct advantage over other countries yet its rare ill see people willing to sacrifice what they have for the betterment of those.

Social responsibility does exist, im not denying that. We dont all apply it and we certainly dont apply it uniformly.

PasturesNew

catflap11 wrote: »

Thanks for that, a little unsure how it is my responsibility to look after someone else's kids?

It's not.
It's your responsibility not to kill them .... and to not behave in a way that is a nuisance to others. In fact... it's possible nuisance is in your deeds...

Marvel1

SnooksNJ wrote: »

Perhaps you should advise your neighbor not to have any more children because you sought out further advice on the MSE board.

Yes, least then there is no crying from the baby win win