Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

chucknorris

Arklight wrote: »

Thankfully practically no one under 40 wants this. Which is what is making them so angry and inspiring all this "voice of the people" blackshirt claptrap.

I'm 60, and I voted remain, and most of my friends and acquaintances voted remain, they are mostly late 40's to mid 50's. But there is significant exception, I play bowls, and from what I've seen most of the members of the bowling club voted leave (they mostly range from about late 60's to early 80's), there were two others, one from the chess club and a friend, but their vote was based on racism (I'm not saying vote leave = racism). I don't know why the bowling club members voted leave, they appear unwilling to talk about it.

EDIT: For the avoidance of doubt:

The point that I am making above is that many people in their 40's and 50's that I know didn't vote leave either. I do not think leave voters are racists! Calling someone a racist is a serious acquisition, that should not be done without hard evidence.

ukcarper

Moby wrote: »

Polling now shows remain well ahead of leave because of the mess we are in and the fear that a 'no deal' brexit will make us poorer.
There is no majority in parliament for a 'no deal' brexit. Imo I doubt we'll overturn the decision but the option of staying in the customs zone and 'single market' is still possible.

That doesn't ans my question 35% of Labour voters voted leave.

At the moment there is a narrow majority for remain just as there was before referendum.

ukcarper

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It would actually gain them votes and seats.

112 seats have now switched from being leave supporting to remain supporting, and the majority are in Labour heartlands in the North and Wales.

I very much doubt it with 35% of their voter leave supporters.

ukcarper

chucknorris wrote: »

I'm 60, and I voted remain, and most of my friends and acquaintances voted remain, they are mostly late 40's to mid 50's. But there is significant exception, I play bowls, and from what I've seen most of the members of the bowling club voted leave (they mostly range from about late 60's to early 80's), there were two others, one from the chess club and a friend, but their vote was based on racism (I'm not saying vote leave = racism). I don't know why the bowling club members voted leave, they appear unwilling to talk about it.

This is an old argument I also voted remain but virtually everybody I know voted leave non of them are racists. If previous governments had done something to address the concerns of leave supporters instead of ignoring them and call anybody who voiced concerns over immigration a racist we might not be in this position. If, as the obviously do, want to avoid leaving at all cost they should not have called referendum but then they were and still are completely out of touch with the felling in the country.

lisyloo

The people I know who voted leave did so because

One wanted to stick 2 fingers up to authority (stupid, stupid, stupid).
One genuinely wants us to govern ourselves despite the costs.
Some older people being nostalgic of pre common market era.
One (my brothers both have non-EU wives) don’t agree with free movement for European criminals.

I’m sure there were other reasons so I don’t think you can tar people with the same brush.

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

The people I know who voted leave did so because

One wanted to stick 2 fingers up to authority (stupid, stupid, stupid).
One genuinely wants us to govern ourselves despite the costs.
Some older people being nostalgic of pre common market era.
One (my brothers both have non-EU wives) don’t agree with free movement for European criminals.

I’m sure there were other reasons so I don’t think you can tar people with the same brush.

Isn't point 1 what happens when people feel ignored and side lined by major parties

Thrugelmir

lisyloo wrote: »

Some older people being nostalgic of pre common market era.

Alternative view is that EU has morphed into something totally different.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

I very much doubt it with 35% of their voter leave supporters.

Read the article.... The data is robust.

buglawton

An interesting and sobering summing up of the current situation:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/08/29/celebrate-coming-brexit-deal-mourn-lost-country/
(Register to read whole article for free)

Key take-away for me in the article was:
"Mr Barnier will offer just enough to sweeten the bitter pill, and... both Tory and Labour MPs will sheepishly swallow it."

This chimes with my instinct when I heard about Barnier's volte-face and new conciliatory tone recently. Beware the silver tongue!

vivatifosi

lisyloo wrote: »

The people I know who voted leave did so because

One wanted to stick 2 fingers up to authority (stupid, stupid, stupid).
One genuinely wants us to govern ourselves despite the costs.
Some older people being nostalgic of pre common market era.
One (my brothers both have non-EU wives) don’t agree with free movement for European criminals.

I’m sure there were other reasons so I don’t think you can tar people with the same brush.

Completely agree with this. I know one person who voted Brexit because they disagreed with Obama sticking his oar in. Others who wanted money for the NHS, some who want increased sovereignty and some who just think The country is full.

I think Remain is similar. My reasons for voting remain for example will be different to those of Hamish for example. I voted remain because, while I saw the EU as a flawed institution, I felt we had just about been offered enough concessions and that the tide for change within the EU was changing and that we could change from the inside.