Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

mayonnaise

Arklight wrote: »

They can't make their minds up because they don't care. For the Rinoa's of this debate Brexit is an ideological issue.

The economy could nosedive after Brexit but it's a price worth paying because it will be paid by other people. It's not going to make a great deal of difference to their pensions or the standards of their retirements in the shires.

Many of them are hypocrites because if this vote had come along when they still had mortgages to pay and jobs to hold down they would have voted Remain.

Every Japanese company could relocate and tourist visas to France could be allocated by lottery, but that's a price worth paying because it's another step on the road to "making Britain great again."

Unfortunately Brexiteers version of what a Great-Great Britain would look like makes many of us want to puke.

Monocultural, insular, isolationist, a difficult unreliable ally to our closest neighbours in Europe. The UK acting as nothing more than a European Trojan horse to the Trump Project that they are so jealous of.

Thankfully practically no one under 40 wants this. Which is what is making them so angry and inspiring all this "voice of the people" blackshirt claptrap.

Post of the month. :T

Herzlos

Rinoa wrote: »

To put this major front page headline into context, Panasonic will move up to 20 people to Amsterdam.

So all we need to do to counter it is to generate 20 equivalent jobs doing something else. Can we do that?

lisyloo

Rinoa wrote: »

There are 800 Japanese firms in UK employing 100,000 people.

To put this major front page headline into context, Panasonic will move up to 20 people to Amsterdam.

So muliply that up then bearing in mind that these are all declared and there may be some undeclared.

However, financial firms including Nomura, Sumitomo Mitsui and Daiwa have already said they will no longer maintain their EU headquarters in London.

wunferall

mayonnaise wrote: »

Paranoid post of the month. :T

Fixed that for you.

wunferall

As a further sign to the remainer doom-and-gloom merchants that the EU aren't at all bothered about tariffs - today they offer to include autos tariff-free as part of a deal with the USA.

“We are willing to bring down even our car tariffs to zero, all tariffs to zero, if the U.S. does the same,” Trade Commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom told European Parliament lawmakers Thursday at a committee meeting in Brussels.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-30/europe-car-stocks-jump-as-eu-adds-autos-to-u-s-offer-on-tariffs

Moby

Skeptical_Saver wrote: »

Momentum alert.

"I'm right and everybody else is wrong, the public shouldn't be left to partake in pesky democracy!"

Nothing stopping you joining the Labour party and putting pressure on MP's to demand a vote in parliament. That surely is democracy in action. As said previously democracy didn't just stop in June 2016!

Moby

ukcarper wrote: »

If Labour come out in favour of remain how many votes do you think it will cost them?

Polling now shows remain well ahead of leave because of the mess we are in and the fear that a 'no deal' brexit will make us poorer.
There is no majority in parliament for a 'no deal' brexit. Imo I doubt we'll overturn the decision but the option of staying in the customs zone and 'single market' is still possible.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ukcarper wrote: »

If Labour come out in favour of remain how many votes do you think it will cost them?

It would actually gain them votes and seats.

112 seats have now switched from being leave supporting to remain supporting, and the majority are in Labour heartlands in the North and Wales.

cogito

Arklight wrote: »

They can't make their minds up because they don't care. For the Rinoa's of this debate Brexit is an ideological issue.

The economy could nosedive after Brexit but it's a price worth paying because it will be paid by other people. It's not going to make a great deal of difference to their pensions or the standards of their retirements in the shires.

Many of them are hypocrites because if this vote had come along when they still had mortgages to pay and jobs to hold down they would have voted Remain.

Every Japanese company could relocate and tourist visas to France could be allocated by lottery, but that's a price worth paying because it's another step on the road to "making Britain great again."

Unfortunately Brexiteers version of what a Great-Great Britain would look like makes many of us want to puke.

Monocultural, insular, isolationist, a difficult unreliable ally to our closest neighbours in Europe. The UK acting as nothing more than a European Trojan horse to the Trump Project that they are so jealous of.

Thankfully practically no one under 40 wants this. Which is what is making them so angry and inspiring all this "voice of the people" blackshirt claptrap.

You really do hate people who voted leave, don't you. Your hate filled rant sums up exactly what people like you feel about those who vote in the incorrect way.

This DT opinion piece could have been written just for you.

SOURCE - Daily Telegraph - Janet Daley - 27 Aug 2018

https://www.telegraph.co.uk...

You can scarcely have missed the outcry over the powerful media elite. Donald Trump, in his Goebbels-like rants against the press, condemns it for lying about him. In Britain, television news presenters admit that their membership of an enclosed metropolitan circle puts them out of touch with the wider population.

You might think that this phenomenon – a privileged social caste which dominates established opinion and has little understanding of how most people live – was new and historically unprecedented. It is thought to be the common factor in the various electoral surprises that the populations of the West have sprung on their governments over the past year. But of course, it isn’t new at all. It has been pretty much the accepted order since time began.

The question is not: how has this great rift come about? It is more: why has it suddenly become such an urgent and politically incendiary issue? The answer, I think, is that what is happening now is genuinely different and far more disturbing than the old-fashioned snobbery and condescension in which previous elites engaged without qualms. The attitude of the privileged educated classes, who have always dominated the mass media, was once a kind of benign arrogance which may have been profoundly ignorant about the conditions and concerns of most ordinary people, but was aware (at least officially) of its duty to show consideration for those they saw as being below them in social prestige.

In Britain, particularly, this took the form of an almost feudal paternalism that demanded courtesy and respect: one did not mock or traduce the disadvantaged. Those whose upbringing and education had not provided the sophisticated tastes or the higher literacy into which you had been initiated were not to be ridiculed and despised: your good fortune came with an automatic obligation to show kindness and understanding to those who had been born into less enlightened circumstances.

Well, that’s all over. Forget kindness and any attempt at benign understanding. What is being blared out shamelessly from a good many media outlets now is beyond arrogant disdain: it is full-on loathing. I have never known a time when public intellectuals – commentators and academics – have stated, without equivocation, that they were waiting eagerly for those swathes of the population that hold unacceptable views (on Brexit, say, or immigration) to go away and die.

One speaker at a recent conference stated that progressive ideas would have to be installed in society “one funeral at a time”. This is not argument. It does not attempt to convert or persuade or to enlighten the supposedly benighted. It is a vendetta: a bald, unambiguous assertion that people with whom you disagree barely have a right to live, let alone to be heard.

On the receiving end of this palpable disgust are people who still disconcertingly have a voice and a vote – both of which they are using in what should have been seen as predictably defiant ways. They may have grown used to being ignored but they were not accustomed to being deliberately insulted. What made it more provoking was that they were under attack for what they consider to be virtues: patriotism, community loyalty and local tradition. In a US newspaper article last week, an apologist for the new metropolitan consensus described the acceptable world view as “internationalist, secular, cosmopolitan, multicultural liberalism”. This seems to make it explicitly opposed to national pride, religious faith, cultural identity, communal cohesion and any form of social conservatism.

And that presumably means that it excludes much of the world – especially those “unspoilt” bits that metropolitan elitists love to visit: the provincial backwaters of Europe where the same families have lived for generations and the cuisine is native to the region. Yes indeed, what a delight it is to see a local culture with its own integrity and inherited rituals intact.

In truth, aggressive cosmopolitans would not be able to endure (or even survive) a world which consisted entirely of people like themselves. Their freewheeling, globe-trotting lifestyle is parasitical on the stable infrastructure provided by all those stolid, circumscribed communities that they deride.

So how have we got here? There is one element to this ugly impasse which leaps out: today’s privileged elite clearly believes itself and its core beliefs to be unquestionably morally righteous. (This is a direct consequence of its being explicitly Left-wing.) Unlike previous establishments, most of the exponents of the Metropolitan Ethic see themselves as independent thinkers who have reached their own conclusions, even if their views are remarkably conformist. They are not operating on inherited assumptions of class superiority but on personal conscience. By definition, then, these are moral precepts which anyone – from any background – could freely adopt. Metropolitan liberalism is a kind of moral meritocracy so there is no need for a concept of noblesse oblige. From this it follows that those who do not adopt the correct views are choosing to be wilfully immoral and thus deserve no forgiveness or understanding.

What happens when ordinary people are openly hated by the powerful? They are licensed to hate right back – and to act on their hurt and frustration. So they vote for a Donald Trump who cleverly plays on the loathing that the “elites” shower on his supporters. (At a rally last week, he told his ecstatic followers: “They don’t like me – and they don’t like you.”) Redneck America was pretty used to that treatment but now they are being led by a demagogue who makes deliberate use of it. And not long ago in Britain, anybody who expressed concern about the country’s loss of national character was subjected to what a US writer called “point and laugh liberalism” – or worse. There was always going to be a price to be paid for this. The reckoning has arrived.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Arklight wrote: »

They can't make their minds up because they don't care. For the Rinoa's of this debate Brexit is an ideological issue.

The economy could nosedive after Brexit but it's a price worth paying because it will be paid by other people. It's not going to make a great deal of difference to their pensions or the standards of their retirements in the shires.

Many of them are hypocrites because if this vote had come along when they still had mortgages to pay and jobs to hold down they would have voted Remain.

Every Japanese company could relocate and tourist visas to France could be allocated by lottery, but that's a price worth paying because it's another step on the road to "making Britain great again."

Unfortunately Brexiteers version of what a Great-Great Britain would look like makes many of us want to puke.

Monocultural, insular, isolationist, a difficult unreliable ally to our closest neighbours in Europe. The UK acting as nothing more than a European Trojan horse to the Trump Project that they are so jealous of.

Thankfully practically no one under 40 wants this. Which is what is making them so angry and inspiring all this "voice of the people" blackshirt claptrap.

Spot on.

The Brexit vote was a petty and vindictive attempt to wreck the country by a motley coalition of dinosaurs whose day will shortly be over.

They see the world changing and hate everything about the future...

But the future is coming regardless and they can't stop it.

Out of the EU means simply taking rules instead of shaping them, everyone being poorer, essential things costing more, but still having the mass immigration and multiculturalism that they hate.

And demographics are changing so fast their day is over and they don't even see it. In a decade or so they'll be outnumbered by millions and back into the EU we shall go. But next time, we'll be properly in, and in for good, none of this half in half out nonsense.

I look forward to watching them become apoplectic with rage as the younger generations reclaim their future and restore our rightful place in the heart of the EU.

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