Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

The EU can hurt us massively by sitting back and letting us take out ball and go home - they don't need to actively do anything when what we want is so destructive. They'll still get blamed but their response will be "This is literally what you asked for".

Europe is haunted by the history of it's recent past. Everyone knows that.

The idea that you make a long term enemy from a close neighbour with nuclear capability would just bolster this paranoia.

You nor I can predict what sort of government we will have here in 10/20/30 year's time.

Pragmatism and trade will go a long way to stopping the worst excesses.

Thrugelmir

Ballard wrote: »

It's playing the cards that you have well. It's also what many leave voters expected the UK to do because they thought that we held all of the cards.

Nothing to do with cards. More to do with ideology and future direction.

cogito

kabayiri wrote: »

The idea that this would happen without retaliation is facile.

On the same basis, we could grind Eire into the dust should we see fit. That's the way power plays go.

The Irish are quite capable of grinding themselves in the dust. Varadkar and Coveney are too stupid to realise that the EU are using them as useful idiots. As soon as they've served their purpose, the EU will revive their calls for them to raise their corporation tax rates and to collect €13bn from Apple.

phillw

Tromking wrote: »

I don!!!8217;t recall any brake on FOM being offered, happy to be corrected though.

It was offered when each country joined, we refused to implement it.

A cynical person would suggest that it was the ERG trying to drive up anti european sentiment.

At least if I was Rees Mogg then I would have been paying people to come here from Europe, so I could then use it as a way to settle my score with John Major

kabayiri wrote: »

Europe is haunted by the history of it's recent past. Everyone knows that.

Not as much as Britain though, with it's more recent past. I find it abhorrent how people think that Britain can take back control while trying to exert control over Europe. It's disgusting. It's casual R & X words.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And given we are desperate for migrant labour in the UK because of the ongoing labour shortage and lowest unemployment for half a century, when we got the brake but chose not to use it, how would that play out?

It's obvious that they want to setup a big brother style voting scheme where members of the public can evict people for being too brown, too wrong religion or commit a crime. Because we should treat foreign criminals differently from British criminals, because British criminals are of course "superior" to those foreign criminals.

So let them come here when it suits us, but they should be on notice that they will have to up sticks and leave on our whim. As if that is a reasonable thing to expect of anyone, but of course they are "lower class citizens" as they aren't "superior" British.

I spoke to someone yesterday who can't wait to leave the EU because he is sick of being "controlled" by Europe. He didn't expand on why he felt "controlled". He may as well of said he wants to leave because he is sick of all the football on the TV the last month.

Leavers will never be happy until we have our "rightful" place at the head of the Empire sticking it to the foreigners.

If only we could evict the 52%

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Nothing to do with cards. More to do with ideology and future direction.

Whenever striking deals your priority is to get the best version for your side. If one side can wait longer than the other then that gives them a serious advantage.

If the EU insist on inspections at all borders (Dover in particular) then it will be carnage in the South East and delays will occur throughout the country. JIT deliveries will come to an abrupt halt and it would be a massive hit to the whole UK economy.

As I've already said, this would also hit the EU economy but they may well see this as a short term hit in order to get a better deal.

Who knows, though, perhaps they will blink first and give us a deal that's more than acceptable to us before then. I hope so, not least because my son will be leaving school next year and I want him to have plenty of opportunities ahead.

cogito

Ballard wrote: »

I hope so, not least because my son will be leaving school next year and I want him to have plenty of opportunities ahead.

If he has anything about him, he'll have plenty of opportunities regardless of Brexit although I dare say Brexit will give him a ready made excuse if he fails to make the most of them.

Ballard

cogito wrote: »

If he has anything about him, he'll have plenty of opportunities regardless of Brexit although I dare say Brexit will give him a ready made excuse if he fails to make the most of them.

There's no need to insult my son.

He is unlikely to be able to work in the EU unless freedom of movement continues. If companies decide that they are better off being based in the EU then they will move.

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

There's no need to insult my son.

He is unlikely to be able to work in the EU unless freedom of movement continues. If companies decide that they are better off being based in the EU then they will move.

...but you find it okay to insult 52% of the population?

Alright then....

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

If he has anything about him, he'll have plenty of opportunities regardless of Brexit although I dare say Brexit will give him a ready made excuse if he fails to make the most of them.

Visit any University and you will see exchange programs being set up with places further and further afield.

In fact, very soon, I will be visiting one on the other side of the planet.

Cameron himself expressed a hope that British people spread their influence more widely. I think it was a decent goal.

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

...but you find it okay to insult 52% of the population?

Alright then....

In what way have I insulted 52% of those who voted to leave?