Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Moby

https://youtu.be/svwslRDTyzU

gfplux

Ballard wrote: »

Whenever striking deals your priority is to get the best version for your side. If one side can wait longer than the other then that gives them a serious advantage.

If the EU insist on inspections at all borders (Dover in particular) then it will be carnage in the South East and delays will occur throughout the country. JIT deliveries will come to an abrupt halt and it would be a massive hit to the whole UK economy.

As I've already said, this would also hit the EU economy but they may well see this as a short term hit in order to get a better deal.

Who knows, though, perhaps they will blink first and give us a deal that's more than acceptable to us before then. I hope so, not least because my son will be leaving school next year and I want him to have plenty of opportunities ahead.

The withdrawal/transition deal is nearly done. 20% to get all green lines.
Obviously this last 20% is the most difficult part (the Irish border probably the most difficult) however I think they will sign at near 100% with the rest being brinkmanship up to end December 2020.

Surely it is in everyone’s interest to move on to trade talks ASAP.

gfplux

Masomnia wrote: »

Nonsense. There have always been opportunities to work in Europe and there always will be.

My group of ten uni friends were saying something along the same lines as you posted. Of them 3 have lived and worked in Africa in various countries, one has lived and worked in Canada, and another is moving to Aus next year. None of them have lived and worked in Europe.

So it's pretty obvious that a. there are the opportunities to work anywhere and b. the EU is not the be all and end all.

It's just brainwashing really.

When the young talent of a country move SO FAR away many will never return once they have immersed themselves.
There is no research I can quote but instinct tells me that is the case.

kabayiri

melanzana wrote: »

To me, that is a totally despicable comment really. But it just shows me what some fanatics are like.

Shame on you.

Rubbish.

Don't be so melodramatic.

I was merely pointing out that if the larger EU27 commit to a power play on a single ex member, then that ex member could do exactly the same on a weaker link.

And history shows that we have been there before, in the 1930s.

Ballard

Thrugelmir wrote: »

People will determine the outcome not Governments. Individual actions of millions people. Expecting anything else is just lazy thinking.

You appear to have put a lot of words together in the hope that it made sense.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Interesting remark from someone who doesn't hold back on his opinion of those he disagrees with. I could rephrase it to appease your delicate sensibilities but the meaning would be exactly the same.

If you cannot see that the one country which stands to lose the most from a no deal outcome is being played by Brussels, you are indeed blind.

And the UK does have one of the most benign CT rates in the EU but my post had nothing to do with that.

Have we all forgotten the mantra “a no deal is better than a bad deal” that came from London NOT Brussels.

cogito

gfplux wrote: »

Have we all forgotten the mantra “a no deal is better than a bad deal” that came from London NOT Brussels.

Relevance?

kabayiri

Ballard wrote: »

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I don't see anything coming out of this government that'll make Brexit work for us. Labour should be seizing the initiative at this point but they're just as bad.
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I honestly didn't think the government could have been any more inept since the vote.

Their tactics did not even match the rhetoric. They talked tough in the early days, and yet conceded on even the agenda with the EU.

Maybe..40 years+ of EU membership leaves you with a nation state government which is basically an additional administrative shell?

Ballard

kabayiri wrote: »

I honestly didn't think the government could have been any more inept since the vote.

Their tactics did not even match the rhetoric. They talked tough in the early days, and yet conceded on even the agenda with the EU.

Maybe..40 years+ of EU membership leaves you with a nation state government which is basically an additional administrative shell?

The Tory infighting is damaging both party and country. May is ridiculously weak and I firmly believe that if it wasn’t for Brexit she’d have long since been on the backbenches. Those who want her role do not believe that we will get good deals after we leave. Johnson in particular clearly doesn’t believe that we should leave.

A month or two of us being outside the EU and we will see a challenge with the candidates all claiming that they’d have got a fantastic deal.

Lungboy

A month or two? Try a few hours.