Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Carl31

wunferall wrote: »

"Let's stay in the EU" say our remainers.
"Let's have another referendum. You know, just to be SURE."

Germany is in recession (funny that, it was SUPPOSED to be us Brits in recession for daring to vote "leave"!).
France is still seeing riots as a result of Macon's reforms.
The EU's East and West continue to pull in different directions, as do the North & the South.
Migration continues to be a problem; a considerable, still-unresolved problem.
EU elections will show populism / extremism continues to rise across the EU as increasing numbers demonstrate their dissatisfaction.

But hell yeah, let's give the people these facts and give them another vote.
For these alone sure they'll clamour to stay in the EU . . . . . . according to some remainers.
:wall:

add Italy to the recession list, they're below the line for the 3rd month in a row

2 of the biggest econcomies in the bloc starting the year in recession isnt going to help things

The UK is looking pretty resilient at the moment however, not particularly strong, but nothing like we have been warned

StevieJ

wunferall wrote: »

Starting from the youngest of ages in our schools this indoctrination takes many forms, from their trying to tell us that their new rules on energy efficiency for appliances is "greener" (a fallacy if it then takes a less-powerful appliance longer to do the same job) to EU signage for projects which in fact are funded by our own money being returned for whatever the project is!
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Simply not true, bought a 800 watt Miele vac last year, it is brilliant, far superior to the previous larger Dyson. After viewing the performance my sister has bought one, she is very happy with it. As Herzlos mentions the LED bulbs have been a real poundsaver, I guess they are not popular with the dinosaurs though?

kev2009

My view is, we had a vote, the decision was to leave and leave we should. We should NOT have a 2nd referendum as otherwise it makes a mockery of the 1st. No one would have any faith in a vote going forward as if we don't like the outcome, we just keep voting until we do. That's not right, we voted, the decision was to leave and that we should do. Personally I cannot see why it takes 2 years, we should of left shortly after the vote and have been done with it.

I doubt things will be as bad as all the scaremongering, we traded fine before the EU existed so we just go back to doing it, can't be too hard surely.

Kev

Arklight

kev2009 wrote: »

My view is, we had a vote, the decision was to leave and leave we should. We should NOT have a 2nd referendum as otherwise it makes a mockery of the 1st. No one would have any faith in a vote going forward as if we don't like the outcome, we just keep voting until we do. That's not right, we voted, the decision was to leave and that we should do. Personally I cannot see why it takes 2 years, we should of left shortly after the vote and have been done with it.

I doubt things will be as bad as all the scaremongering, we traded fine before the EU existed so we just go back to doing it, can't be too hard surely.

Kev

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Yes, I mean, that was 50 years ago now and the world hasn't changed at all since then so you are probably right.

2 out of the 3 major trade confederacies from the 70s no longer exist now - so Her Majesty might have to rescind India's independence, and some of the Commonwealth nations will have to be set straight, but that shouldn't pose too much of a problem as long as we maintain a plucky can-do attitude.

Moe_The_Bartender

Arklight wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Yes, I mean, that was 50 years ago now and the world hasn't changed at all since then so you are probably right.

2 out of the 3 major trade confederacies from the 70s no longer exist now - so Her Majesty might have to rescind India's independence, and some of the Commonwealth nations will have to be set straight, but that shouldn't pose too much of a problem as long as we maintain a plucky can-do attitude.

And in under 20 years from now, the EU will no longer exist so let’s get out now while the going’s good.

sevenhills

kev2009 wrote: »

My view is, we had a vote, the decision was to leave and leave we should. We should NOT have a 2nd referendum as otherwise it makes a mockery of the 1st.

We should respect the first vote, but if its not posiblebecause of our MPs messing things up, then what do we do?
Another referendum could be a repeat of the first, taking us out; if that is not the case then democracy has spoken and we should have a clear plan of what to do.
We have elections where by a different or the same party is re-elected, another referendum is just another vote.
We had a general election in 2015 and 2017, another one should not be called, unless its the last resort.

wunferall

StevieJ wrote: »

Simply not true, bought a 800 watt Miele vac last year, it is brilliant, far superior to the previous larger Dyson. After viewing the performance my sister has bought one, she is very happy with it. As Herzlos mentions the LED bulbs have been a real poundsaver, I guess they are not popular with the dinosaurs though?

Oh yes it IS true.
New washing machines for example now take many hours to perform a cycle - thanks purely to the EU's insistence on (many think flawed) energy rating. (Nice link at the end if you're genuinely interested.)
To make washing machines comply, they take ages to perform a cycle .......... but only on those cycles the EU deems necessary of course, meaning that the end-user can still circumvent the "popular" cycle in favour of faster but less-efficient ones.
The end result is that far less energy is saved than the EU's unnecessarily interventionist policies suggest; it just makes the EU look good in other words with a "look, we're encouraging energy saving measures" message.
How unusual for the EU, preferring image over substance.


Vacuum cleaners.
Nice though your anecdotal evidence may appear, the facts are quite different.
Ask James Dyson for whom it took FIVE YEARS before the EU would accept that their system of measuring efficiency was seriously flawed.
In favour of EU manufacturers as opposed to Dyson, naturally.
How many sales do you think that cost Dyson?



Still, I suppose the EU are at least trying to promote energy efficiency.
Why though can they not put a similar amount of effort into resolving the current and very real problems directly affecting EU citizens?

Three years and still no solution to migration problems.
Sluggish growth for years leading inevitably to a decline in their share of global trade.
Increasing disillusion with citizens prompting a rise in populism and fanaticism, with these in power now in Italy and increasingly exerting their authority across the EU as the forthcoming elections for MEP's is expected to illustrate admirably.

Your "dinosaurs" are then I suspect those in positions of power within the EU.
Not your everyday man in the street who would logically choose what to purchase depending upon what it will cost not only to buy, but what it would cost to use it too.
(That's why my petrol car averages over 50mpg as opposed to 18 mpg. )
Or can you better define what your fictional "dinosaur" is in your opinion?
Because if you were trying to imply that "dinosaur" related in some way to ()pro-Brexit inclined?) people not caring about what they spend I think it has been proven to be a "fail".



https://www.whitegoodshelp.co.uk/washing-machine-take-long-wash/

Herzlos

Maybe I'm not old enough but weren't pre-EU washing machines terrible?
My last fee have washed things fine whilst not costing much in electrixityor water.


Here's an interesting article, which seems to fit what I've seen but with more effort. I agree with his conclusion though so I'm going to make an effort to refrain from arguing as much going forward and let people remain wrong
https://inktank.fi/i-spent-a-day-on-pro-brexit-facebook-pages-this-is-what-i-discovered/

wunferall

sevenhills wrote: »

We should respect the first vote, but if its not posiblebecause of our MPs messing things up, then what do we do?
Another referendum could be a repeat of the first, taking us out; if that is not the case then democracy has spoken and we should have a clear plan of what to do.
We have elections where by a different or the same party is re-elected, another referendum is just another vote.
We had a general election in 2015 and 2017, another one should not be called, unless its the last resort.

A new political party devoted to exiting the EU would have a field day!

UKIP did it before, and although they've recently gone a bit weird people would do well to remember that their growth in popularity was before the current shenanigans.
The blatant manner with which democracy is being undermined will without a shadow of doubt lead to significant numbers opposing not only the EU but our current political parties too.
Primarily because it is obvious that our politicians cannot be trusted.

wunferall

Herzlos wrote: »

Maybe I'm not old enough but weren't pre-EU washing machines terrible?
My last fee have washed things fine whilst not costing much in electrixityor water.

Silly me!
Of course we always made do with dirty clothes before joining the EU.
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I thought I'd seen it all on here but that genuinely made me :rotfl: