Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

A rather fanciful dream of yours. I live in a university town which attracts a lot of international students, plus we also attract a lot of immigrants from all over the world.

Sounds idyllic. Total harmony.

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

The numbers are irrelevant, it's how you start makes a big difference.

Once you have areas for certain types of people, then it's going to cause problems for a generation or so. Then the children tend to sort things out, if you let them.

The past was xenophobic and we're still dealing with the fallout.

The numbers are relevant

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

It was already there to see. In fact that was one of my reasons for voting to remain, the EU has saved us from our own politicians countless times. I remember a time when that didn't happen and it was dreadful.

Yes it was but this has highlighted the fact and the one Party that has gone down in my estimation is Labour, they are more concerned about engineering a GE than solving the problem.

gfplux

ess0two wrote: »

Seems remainers in parliament are holding us up leaving.Our minds are made, its 'leave' no cold feet here,just stubborn remain politicians refusing to follow the will of the people or the referendum.
Should'nt really concern you,living in the EU?

I see the PRESENT situation in Parliament different to you.

All the Labour MP’s will be whipped to vote against the deal or abstain (it’s not yet been announced)
The DUP will vote against the bill as they do not want any steps towards a United Ireland.

The majority of Tory MP’s will vote against the bill (both Brexiters and Remainers) and a minority of Tory MP’s will vote for the Deal.

That does not say to me that Remainers in Parliament are stopping Britain leaving. What it says to me is Politicians are following their own agenda and nothing else.


Until the end of March you are also living in the EU.
Just because I am not starving doesn’t mean I can not be concerned for starving people.
I see the country of my birth committing an act of self harm so I am very concerned.

PS. I still don’t understand Brexiters when faced with the deal or leaving with no deal they still think there is a better solution available. They spent so much time telling us that the Trade deal with the EU was going to be so easy.
One way to make it easy is to start those trade talks on April 1st with the withdrawal deal signed and good will on both sides of the table.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

Yes it was but this has highlighted the fact and the one Party that has gone down in my estimation is Labour, they are more concerned about engineering a GE than solving the problem.

It's generally the incumbent government that is tasked with solving the problem. Especially if the problem is 100% caused by itself.

If Labour were in power we would be better off. If only because the other EU leaders would have a British PM to talk to that they don't utterly despise and on a good day could kindly be referred to as "a bit slow."

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

It's generally the incumbent government that is tasked with solving the problem. Especially if the problem is 100% caused by itself.

If Labour were in power we would be better off. If only because the other EU leaders would have a British PM to talk to that they don't utterly despise and on a good day could kindly be referred to as "a bit slow."

What makes you think the problem is 100% caused by government I don't Parliament has had opportunities to stop situation getting to where it is now and hasn't taken them. It you really believe your last paragraph you are gravely mistaken.

By the way I'm not absolving the government of responsibility in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we find ourselve in.

Arklight

ukcarper wrote: »

What makes you think the problem is 100% caused by government I don't Parliament has had opportunities to stop situation getting to where it is now and hasn't taken them. It you really believe your last paragraph you are gravely mistaken.

By the way I'm not absolving the government of responsibility in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we find ourselve in.

The government is in charge with governing the country. What on earth else do you think it should be held responsible for?

ukcarper

Arklight wrote: »

The government is in charge with governing the country. What on earth else do you think it should be held responsible for?

I think the government should be held responsible for most of the things it does but brexit is a different thing and Labour are clearly being dishonest and playing politics.

Why won't Corbyn do what the majority of his party members want and push for a second referendum?

Moe_The_Bartender

ukcarper wrote: »

I think the government should be held responsible for most of the things it does but brexit is a different thing and Labour are clearly being dishonest and playing politics.

Why won't Corbyn do what the majority of his party members want and push for a second referendum?

Could it be something to do with the fact that he is leader of two different parties? The remain party that exists within the M25 and the leave party which exists outside it.

Thrugelmir

ukcarper wrote: »

Why won't Corbyn do what the majority of his party members want and push for a second referendum?

Will alienate the element of the electorate that they are targeting ahead of the next election. The disenchanted, the disengaged. Of which there are many. Disaffection with the EU, Globalisation is coming to a head. Wealth is far from being spread equally.