Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Arklight

wunferall wrote: »

You probably don't realise that you've done it but you have just highlighted a major problem with the EU; it is far too protectionist.
Members are encouraged to trade with other members rather than globally to the extent that barriers are in place to actively prevent member countries from making better deals themselves, whether or not this would affect the mothership.

The EU isn't a country BTW, much though some wish it was.
Look at the info in your link and you'll see it says very clearly " The US is the country from which the UK earns the most through trade. Exports to the US in 2016 were worth £100 billion, more than twice as much as exports to any other country. "
It then goes on to say " The largest trade deficit is with Germany. In 2016 the UK imported £75 billion in goods and services from Germany, and sold £49 billion. "
Basically the EU are costing us money in their trade deficit.
Why aren't they being fair and buying more from the UK since we're club members?
Why shouldn't the UK be free to choose where it buys what it wants from?

It's excessive deficits like this that led to the USA/China spat and it looks like leading to China being more open to outside trade with them because of the impact caused.

Do not confuse the very obvious stalling or denial of what the UK public voted for with the speed at which the country is able to negotiate trade deals.
As for our politicians, well I think we're in the early stages of a major upheaval in UK politics and I have more faith in the country's abilities to trade than I do in it's willingness to uphold the stated will of it's people.

You're funny, talking on the one hand about the EU yet ignoring their protectionism and then mentioning the Corn Law.
As the song goes, "the times they are a-changin'".
We are entering the fourth industrial revolution.
With our (yes, even recent) historical inventiveness and ingenuity the UK is far better-placed to be at the forefont of this era than the lumbering, indecisive behemoth which the EU has evolved into.

To use your own phraseology, if you honestly believe that the EU "are well equipped to lead us into these new sunlit uplands, you have more faith in them than me"

Well don't worry too much, the way things are going we won't be able to afford to import much from Germany or anywhere else in the EU, let alone to the point of imbalance. Then Brexiteers might start to understand that spouting utter rubbish, like a suggesting that a trade imbalance is impoverishing the UK, was unhelpful and misleading from the get go.

fewgroats

Are you suggesting that leavers don't realise when they make points? Rather patronising.

THE_Terry_Urr

OldMusicGuy wrote: »

So how come the "protectionist" EU negotiated TTIP to reduce trade barriers with the US? ...

Well if EU countries are told by another organisation just who exactly they can trade with on suposedly favourable terms whether or not it suits them, that is indeed protectionist.

Waffling on about an imaginary beef problem certainly isn't helping you get your point across, it just looks like more propaganda.

THE_Terry_Urr

Arklight wrote: »

Well don't worry too much, the way things are going we won't be able to afford to import much from Germany or anywhere else in the EU, let alone to the point of imbalance. Then Brexiteers might start to understand that spouting utter rubbish, like a suggesting that a trade imbalance is impoverishing the UK, was unhelpful and misleading from the get go.

You forgot the imminent collapse of the British economy and the country reverting to the 18th Century.
:doh:

Sensible folk aren't too bothered because we know the world won't end because of Brexit.
The horsemen of the apocalypse won't ride and the utter rubbish being deliriously spouted by anarchic remainers will yet again be proven to be just that; utter rubbish.

It's only a few hardcore delusional remainers that carry on saying such carp - and I'm not convinced that they believe it. They just want to promote discontent.

OldMusicGuy

THE_Terry_Urr wrote: »

Well if EU countries are told by another organisation just who exactly they can trade with on suposedly favourable terms whether or not it suits them, that is indeed protectionist.

Waffling on about an imaginary beef problem certainly isn't helping you get your point across, it just looks like more propaganda.

Protectionism is about setting up trade barriers around a country and using things like import quotas. The EU as a whole seeks to reduce these.

The EU certainly does have a set of rules which are agreed between the members, and it seeks to protect the interests of its members. It's fair to say that some members are more equal than others when it comes to protecting those interests.

If we don't like the rules, we should leave, which is what we are apparently trying to do.

Sadly if you think talking about the issues with US beef are "waffling on", you are typifying the leaver approach of sticking your head in the sand and resorting to just shouting "get on with it" as soon as anyone wants to talk about the practicalities of how we actually make Brexit happen.

StevieJ

I love how leave guys think all the answers are so simple.

Dominic Raab remarked he “hadn’t quite understood” how reliant UK trade in goods is on the Dover-Calais crossing, during a live Q&A at a technology conference last night.
The Brexit Secretary said: “We want a bespoke arrangement on goods which recognises the peculiar, frankly, geographic economic identity that is the United Kingdom.
“We are and, I hadn’t quite understood the full extent of this, but if you look at the UK and you look at how we trade in goods, we’re particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.”

But Leave.EU co-founder Richard Tice dismissed concerns of a potential trade gridlock, pointing out Britain could just stop using Calais as its main docking point.

"We will use other ports, we wild more through Southampton or Felixstowe and guess what? We might buy loads of goods from elsewhere around the world. That’s what businesses will do."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1042855/brexit-news-latest-dominic-raab-secretary-dover-calais-crossing

Herzlos

The solutions to things are usually really simple when you don't understand how it works

THE_Terry_Urr

Herzlos wrote: »

The solutions to things are usually really simple when you don't understand how it works

Quite so as remainers here all too often demonstrate admirably with their obvious lack of comprehension. Well done you for accepting that.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

The solutions to things are usually really simple when you don't understand how it works

Whereas sitting inside the comfy confines of the EU is making both business and our politicians lazy.

Productivity in the UK is very poor. Mass labour readily available removes the need for innovation and automation.

The big challenge is China, and I for one do not trust the likes of Juncker to protect our interests. He thinks we are "nebulous".

THE_Terry_Urr

StevieJ wrote: »

I love how leave guys think all the answers are so simple.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1042855/brexit-news-latest-dominic-raab-secretary-dover-calais-crossing

I love how remain guys keep getting it so wrong.


You obviously don't know that the busiest cargo port in the UK isn't Dover. It's Immingham.
Here's a handy report which should help you to understand that other UK ports are already busier than Dover which in fact isn't even in the UK top 7 busiest cargo ports.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-busiest-cargo-ports-in-the-united-kingdom.html
Never mind though, you carry on trying to belittle Brexiters oblivious to the fact that actions like yours are what led to the UK voting for Brexit. You're doing a great job of ensuring that enough will continue to demand that we leave.