Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

StevieJ

Meanwhile life goes on .......

ZURICH (Reuters) - The Swiss government approved on Friday the text of a trade deal with Britain that aims to maintain economic and commercial relations with its sixth-biggest export market after Brexit

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/swiss-approve-text-trade-deal-britain-122258672--business.html

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Must be what the Brexiteers fear is coming for Christmas...

Moby

kabayiri wrote: »

Reality check here.

I can't second guess the effect of my vote on the people of NI; on the people of Cornwall; on the people of Gibraltar.

...and THEY can't do likewise with my home town.

Yes it's flawed, but all you can do is try and be honest, and vote based on your own local beliefs.

I think there were clear regional patterns which showed that many people did just that.

It's the job of those paid to enact the result to figure out the next level.

I would have thought anyone with an ounce of historical knowledge and honesty would realise the history of Ireland is very different to that of Cornwall or even Gibraltar. The article points out the mistakes made by May and her advisers in the months subsequent to the referendum.

scaredofdebt

kabayiri wrote: »

Reality check here.

I can't second guess the effect of my vote on the people of NI; on the people of Cornwall; on the people of Gibraltar.

...and THEY can't do likewise with my home town.

Yes it's flawed, but all you can do is try and be honest, and vote based on your own local beliefs.

I think there were clear regional patterns which showed that many people did just that.

It's the job of those paid to enact the result to figure out the next level.

"There are no downsides to Brexit"

"It will be the easiest deal in human history"

"We hold all the cards"

Hard to be honest when those campaigning aren't.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Thrugelmir

masterwilde wrote: »

There in lies the problem, brexit is not a local issue but a national one, as such the MP's are responsible and accountable for the united kingdom on a constitutional level.

Issues are manifesting themselves at a local level. Travel around the country and the impacts range from barely to highly noticeable. With considerable strain on public services of all kinds.

gfplux

andrewf75 wrote: »

I don't think planes will stop flying! But because a deal will be done. If it isn't then I imagine the leave date will be delayed until it is. Of course everyone wants them to keep going, but there are legal issues which need resolving, its not as simple as you make out. I'm not attempting to dramatise it, just saying that a deal needs to be done! You're trying to simplify something that is probably the most complex negotiation in our history. I imagine the planes is one of the simplest bits to sort by the way, but obviously one of the most important to keep things functioning.

No deal isn’t going to happen. If you want a fully hard Brexit, then that will need to be managed in some way (with a deal).

We should all be clear there are TWO deals.

1) The withdrawal deal (keeps planes flying etc and Britain pays what it has committed to)

2) A trade deal between Britain and the EU to replace the free trade deal as a member of the EU.

Inbetween there is the transition period or implementation period as it’s called by the British Government that presently is 21 months long to enable 2) to be negotiated.

The present ROW or Hissy Fit is because normal trade deals take much longer to negotiate than 21 months (who knew;)) so if the transition period is not extended there is still the possibility to fall out of the EU (hard Brexit with no trade deal) The EU don’t want a hard Brexit as this will destroy the GFA by creating a hard border between N Ireland and ROI. That is why they want a back stop or it should be called GPIB or a Guarantee to Protect the Irish Border

I am sure someone will jump in with a much better explanation.

Thrugelmir

scaredofdebt wrote: »

"There are no downsides to Brexit"

"It will be the easiest deal in human history"

"We hold all the cards"

Hard to be honest when those campaigning aren't.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Never misquote. Always quote in full to give a full context to what was actually said. To do so is dishonest. If not outright misleading. That's the danger with spin. Ultimately gets out of control.

"The only reason we wouldn't come to a free and open agreement is because politics gets in the way of economics,"

and we can choose the path we want.

only a considerable upside

:think::think::think::think::think::think:

gfplux

BLB53 wrote: »

I think most people agree it would be far better all round if we leave on good terms with a fair deal. However I am not sure how PM has managed to get such a bad deal.

EU have just completed a big trade deal with Japan. No paying billions, no loss of sovereignty, no freedom of movement, not subject to EU laws.

So where are we going wrong???

We/you are going wrong because you don’t understand what deal is being discussed.

In your post you mention the withdrawal deal between Britain and the EU which you accuse the PM of negotiating a bad deal.

Then immediately you talk about the TRADE deal between the EU and Japan (I say what a wonderful deal it is)

Please, please, please see the difference.
Withdrawal deal (nothing to do with trade)
Trade Deal (everything to do with trade)

If things go to the original plan Britain and the EU commence discussion of a trade deal on April 1st 2019.

The Government, EU and media are all at fault for using the one word DEAL. This in my opinion has mislead millions of people.

kabayiri

scaredofdebt wrote: »

"There are no downsides to Brexit"

"It will be the easiest deal in human history"

"We hold all the cards"

Hard to be honest when those campaigning aren't.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Every political election is like that though.

I think marketing took over any substance in politics when Blair and co rebranded to New Labour.

There's always a cost. A cost to Leaving. A cost to Remaining.

But on a negotiating level it's been a big failure. And we are supposed to believe this same bunch would have pushed forward our interests inside the EU. Fat chance.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

I would have thought anyone with an ounce of historical knowledge and honesty would realise the history of Ireland is very different to that of Cornwall or even Gibraltar. The article points out the mistakes made by May and her advisers in the months subsequent to the referendum.

Again, it doesn't matter. The whole Irish situation has been a mess ever since I've existed on this rock.

So don't ask me to start caring now.