Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

kabayiri

phillw wrote: »

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That would help our negotiation strategy, but it would send the message to businesses that they should accelerate relocation. I'm pretty sure nobody elected their MP so that they could put a government in place that spooked business to abandon the UK.
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Businesses have already been preparing. I know from direct experience.

In fact, the government has issued a lot of information on trading arrangements.

It's the government itself which should be directing more resources at border systems, and shipping arrangements for produce from USA and Argentina and Africa. It makes sense.

The fact is that the EU is preparing on the basis of pragmatism for No Deal, and so should we.

To not prepare for a possible outcome is singularly negligent.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

That would help our negotiation strategy, but it would send the message to businesses that they should accelerate relocation.

With open borders relocation has been moving forward at considerable speed for years. Save costs and increase profitability is the bottom line for multi national companies.

qwert_yuiop

spadoosh wrote: »

No its not, you just set up a poltical party that will get enough people to vote for it or risk toppling the existing government who then pander to your wishes by holding a referendum.

It just might be a tad late for that.

Lungboy

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

May's deal is certainly not Brexit at all! That is the problem.

May's Deal *will* be Brexit, as long as the trade deal after the withdrawal goes to plan.

Filo25

BLB53 wrote: »

I think most people agree it would be far better all round if we leave on good terms with a fair deal. However I am not sure how PM has managed to get such a bad deal.

EU have just completed a big trade deal with Japan. No paying billions, no loss of sovereignty, no freedom of movement, not subject to EU laws.

So where are we going wrong???

We could have gone down the route of just negotiating a FTA, along the lines of Canada or Japan, but that would have meant needing to agree to NI effectively economically remaining part of the EU, and the current Parliamentary arithmetic makes that a nightmare for May to deliver.

Plus of course while a Free Trade Agreement sounds like it gives Free Trade with the EU it effectively just means you have negotiated a closer deal than you have without a deal, it doesn't provide remotely the same access to frictionless trade as being part of either the customs union or Single Market (or both)

Filo25

MiserlyMartin wrote: »

May's deal is certainly not Brexit at all! That is the problem.

Of course it's Brexit, it is leaving the EU.

Anyone actually thinking Brexit only means No Deal and that is a desirable outcome is either very protected from any distruption to the broader economy, or is pretty credulous at the kind of nonsense the ERG come out with.

PS the ERG don't care about immigration, or investing more in public services, they care about reclaiming sovereignty which is currently shared, so that they can get on with creating their ultra-Thatcherite free market utopia without any of those annoying EU protections and regulations getting in the way.

masterwilde

It might not be brexit, This might simply be a 2 year puppet show, to prove we would be disastrously worse off if we left. The 3 options on the table are as follows:

Leave with deal
Leave cliff edge
Dont leave at all

Mp's will be voting ultimately on behalf of the country rather than constituency, as such, rule Mays offer out, takes out number 1, Mp's have finally begun to realise the disaster that leaving without a deal is like, so thats number 2 out. This leaves number 3, we accept that leaving in not in the nations interest and as such we vote to stay.

Moby

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-12-14/how-ireland-outmaneuvered-britain-on-brexit
Interesting article. I doubt many people hand on heart considered the ramifications for the Irish question when they voted for brexit!

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-12-14/how-ireland-outmaneuvered-britain-on-brexit
Interesting article. I doubt many people hand on heart considered the ramifications for the Irish question when they voted for brexit!

Reality check here.

I can't second guess the effect of my vote on the people of NI; on the people of Cornwall; on the people of Gibraltar.

...and THEY can't do likewise with my home town.

Yes it's flawed, but all you can do is try and be honest, and vote based on your own local beliefs.

I think there were clear regional patterns which showed that many people did just that.

It's the job of those paid to enact the result to figure out the next level.

masterwilde

kabayiri wrote: »

Reality check here.

I can't second guess the effect of my vote on the people of NI; on the people of Cornwall; on the people of Gibraltar.

...and THEY can't do likewise with my home town.

Yes it's flawed, but all you can do is try and be honest, and vote based on your own local beliefs.

I think there were clear regional patterns which showed that many people did just that.

It's the job of those paid to enact the result to figure out the next level.

There in lies the problem, brexit is not a local issue but a national one, as such the MP's are responsible and accountable for the united kingdom on a constitutional level.