Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

buglawton

Herzlos wrote: »

The ECJ and the EU aren't the same thing. Any more than the UK Supreme Court isn't the UK Government.

Not sure I recall saying they are the same. The ECJ is the legal mouthpiece of the EU.

Arklight

cogito wrote: »

In effect, the EU are trying to force Switzerland to bend the knee to them and the Swiss won't have it. If Brussels is stupid enough to try to sanction the Swiss, the Swiss can make life uncomfortable for EU banks using their facilities by charging for overnight deposits. The EU pulling access to the Swiss bourse would cost the likes of EDF dearly as they would lose tax advantages. Ending free movement would have serious ramifications for French, Italian and Austrian nationals working in Switzerland especially as these workers are from some of the poorest regions of France and Austria.

But I can well believe that the EU can convince itself that the Swiss can be bullied. Other nations friendly to the Swiss will not be happy.

After the Panama Papers, which you've all forgotten about (as a refresher it turned out that there is a global conspiracy of the 1% to pay no tax at all on their wealth) , there was an EU intention to crack down on offshore tax evasion.

Which is bad news for the likes of Switzerland, a lot of Tory donors, and 3rd world dictators, but I can't see anyone else losing sleep over Switzerland's relationship with the EU. Like the UK they are quite welcome to be separate, and for separate to mean separate.

phillw

buglawton wrote: »

So the EU is getting cold feet about the UK leaving

The EU has always been pretty clear they'd prefer the UK to be in the EU.

It's only ~30% of people in the UK that have said they wanted to leave.

Lungboy wrote: »

Barclay is now refusing to deny that the Government might appeal the ECJ's ruling in the Scottish courts. Wow.

It's kinda weird that they tried to block it going to the ECJ, but trying to get the decision reversed is just wasting more of OUR money.

cogito wrote: »

What’s really funny is that Nicola Sturgeon has hailed the ruling thereby accepting the principle that a foreign court can overturn an independence vote.

What are you talking about? The ruling doesn't overturn anything.

Lornapink wrote: »

Looking forward to a UK gilet jaune / European style mass populist movement if Brexit gets binned.

I'm looking forward to one if it's implemented, but then we won't be allowed to call them gilet's or buy them.

Herzlos

buglawton wrote: »

Not sure I recall saying they are the same. The ECJ is the legal mouthpiece of the EU.

Correct. But how does the legal department clarifying a point of law mean the EU has changed it's mind on anything?

Did the government change it's mind on anything when the Miller case confirmed that Brexit needed to be approved by parliament?

Moby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjp5OmoDYQM&feature=youtu.be

:rotfl:

Arklight

Lornapink wrote: »

Looking forward to a UK gilet jaune / European style mass populist movement if Brexit gets binned.
Merkel is on her way out and Macron is the last 'neo-liberal' standing, but his approval rate is just 18%, less than half what Trump's is, keeping in mind 'liberals' cite Trumps rating as evidence he wont last.


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You're looking forward to rioting and peoples' cars and shops being smashed up by thugs?

Hopefully it will be your car that gets set fire to then.

I think you may be disappointed though. Unless the Brexit riots include mobility scooter recharging points, kiosks selling rolled up copies of the Telegraph to shake, and air drops of Pringles onto the kettled masses, I think most of us are quite safe from the "will of the people."

cogito

Herzlos wrote: »

Can you cite a referendum the EU has overturned or re-ran without tweaking the terms?

You mean like they tweaked the terms of the EU Consitution by renaming it?

Herzlos

cogito wrote: »

You mean like they tweaked the terms of the EU Consitution by renaming it?

Do you have a citation?

A_Pandiculation

cogito wrote: »

You mean like they tweaked the terms of the EU Consitution by renaming it?

The Irish didn't really have to vote again in 2002 after rejecting the EU's Treaty of Nice in 2001, OR again 2009 after saying no to the Lisbon Treaty in 2008.
Just for Herzlos who seems too lazy to press a button or two when it doesn't suit, a report from 2008 when the Irish rejected the EU.

Asking the Irish to vote again on the Lisbon treaty is arrogant, insulting and undemocratic

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/dec/13/eu-ireland-lisbon-treaty

Yes, that sums up the EU then with the treaty, "arrogant, insulting and undemocratic". Will it be the same now with Brexit?

A_Pandiculation

Arklight wrote: »

You're looking forward to rioting and peoples' cars and shops being smashed up by thugs?

No. But it's remainers with attitudes like yours pushing anarchy and trying to overturn democracy that will lead to it.

Arklight wrote: »

Hopefully it will be your car that gets set fire to then.

No, it should be your possessions burning because they are your cries for anarchy. You want it.

Arklight wrote: »

I think you may be disappointed though. Unless the Brexit riots include mobility scooter recharging points, kiosks selling rolled up copies of the Telegraph to shake, and air drops of Pringles onto the kettled masses, I think most of us are quite safe from the "will of the people."

In your rush to display your hatred of voters you've obviously forgotten that your beloved Tommy Robinson & followers aren't exactly zimmer-frame-wielding grey-haired old dears. Extremists like these would love a real cause - and remainers like you are giving them that cause. How good of you.
If it happens they will make the recent French, Belgian and Catalonian (yes, they are at it again) protests look like a kindergarden outing.