Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Herzlos

Reading between the lines, she's priming people for someone to come in and rescind A50. She's pointing out that if there is a change of leadership the deadline will be missed so the only options will be to get an extension (impossible) or withdraw A50 (perfectly possible).

This was pretty much always going to happen though. The only thing I don't understand is who would be the new patsy - anyone taking over from May here is going to be damned whatever they do. I'm assuming it'll be some relative unknown who's willing to take over for a few months and then retire off into obscurity.



Or it's just an elaborate scheme to delay until we time out or some unicorn arrives to save the day.


So I'm assuming Leavers will now start screeching for a peoples vote so that they can show the people want to leave? it's the only way you're actually going to get Brexit unless the game gets screwed up and we crash out by accident.

andrewf75

vivatifosi wrote: »

I hope she wins to gfplux. I am a pragmatic remainer, but don't see how a better deal can be achieved given that both sides (UK and EU) have a right to defend their positions. In the case of the UK no border on Ireland etc, in the case of the EU the Four Freedoms. Whatever happens next, these will almost certainly still be the red lines.


So what happens if she loses? Corbyn could win and would almost certainly push for something (given what Starmer says) morelike Norway, Boris et al have failed to table any tangible alternatives in spite of the hot air churned out and we risk either falling out with no deal or an extended exit process.


Meanwhile, nobody is addressing education, health, poverty, jobs, etc and all the other issues that matter to people outside of the Westminster bubble. I despair at the poor state of politics in this country right now.

The sensible rational side of me agrees with this. But I have to admit a small reckless part of me wants a hardline Brexiteer to take control just to give people the wake up call that things are not as straightforward as they make out while sniping from the back benches. Something tells me that unless we go through this stage, there will always be a significant number who think things would all be different if only we had a proper Brexiter in charge!

Herzlos

I actually agree with that. The fastest way to kill off Brexit is to let a Brexiteers run it and then we can all be united behind re-joining.

If we kill it off without leaving we'll be stuck with a generation of what ifs and betrayal.

Sometimes the only way to show a toddler that the fire really is hot is to let them try and touch it.

buglawton

Zero_Gravitas wrote: »

Hang on - didn’t the Tories have a leadership election in 2016? Isn’t it going to be anti-democratic to have another one, just because they might have changed their minds since last time?

The Tory party actually has a mechanism for dealing with situations like this. Brexit doesn't.

A_Pandiculation

buglawton wrote: »

The Tory party actually has a mechanism for dealing with situations like this. Brexit doesn't.

We'll ignore the little fact that internal party politics are far different from a referendum too, because we all know that remainers don't like facts. (They like to disparage, and acrimony.)

Like this one: Tesla will over the next few months begin importing 3,000 Model 3's per week into the EU.
Surely not, because remainers tell us that the EU won't want non-EU cars because of those punitive 10% EU tariffs.
https://electrek.co/2018/12/12/tesla-imodel-3-volume-europe-port/
Yup, those tariffs are really hurting Tesla.
3,000 per week!

sevenhills

andrewf75 wrote: »

Something tells me that unless we go through this stage, there will always be a significant number who think things would all be different if only we had a proper Brexiter in charge!

Perhaps the no-deal Brexiteers will realise that they are a small minority?

BLB53

I predict PM will secure 52% of the vote...will that be enough to win the day?

LHW99

I predict PM will secure 52% of the vote...will that be enough to win the day?

A majority of 1 is enough!

phillw

A_Pandiculation wrote: »

No. But it's remainers with attitudes like yours pushing anarchy and trying to overturn democracy that will lead to it.

Overturning democracy with more democracy is normal, grow up.

A_Pandiculation wrote: »

Surely not, because remainers tell us that the EU won't want non-EU cars because of those punitive 10% EU tariffs.
https://electrek.co/2018/12/12/tesla-imodel-3-volume-europe-port/
Yup, those tariffs are really hurting Tesla.
3,000 per week!

Tesla don't have any competition within the EU, if you want a Tesla you will buy a Tesla. If/when it becomes cost effective, they will build a factory in the EU (like when Japan companies built their factories here).

Tesla are run a little different from other car companies, because it's run by an insane rich man who doesn't seem interested in making money in the short term. The decisions they make are not applicable to traditional companies.

Most of the car production in the UK is not for high end cars, they are far more price sensitive. It's also not just the 10% EU tariff, but things like the extra costs incurred when they abandon just in time deliveries & if they can't hire people from the EU as easily anymore. When the UK built cars are next to EU built cars on a forecourt and the UK built cars have a higher price, then it's pretty likely someone would choose the EU built cars. The car companies then have a choice, earn less money or move the factory. I expect they'll move the factory, because they don't care that the minority of people in the UK who pulled us out of the EU can't understand the concept of cause and effect.

3000 cars a week isn't a huge number, we export 15000 a week.

The tariff isn't punitive, if we decided to trade with them on WTO terms then they will have no choice. WTO terms however are incompatible with a soft border in Ireland.

It appears you don't understand what "remainers tell us".

BLB53 wrote: »

I predict PM will secure 52% of the vote...will that be enough to win the day?

200 to 117, which by my calculation is ~63%, so you were a little out.

I think the calling of the confidence vote was tactical, she's safe from ERG for a year. We don't know if all the MPs who called for the vote wanted to get her out or whether some wanted to keep her in. Labour will be calling a no confidence vote for the government next.

I'm not convinced she wanted to win, she tried her hardest to lose the last election & somehow she just keeps being elected.

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

Labour will be calling a no confidence vote for the government next.

Remind us what Corbyn did when he lost the vote of the Parliamentary Labour party.

172-40...........

Yep. Ignored it.