Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

Thrugelmir

Theophile wrote: »

There's no point trying to persuade brexit extremists as they are beyond reason, a bit like flat earthers or conspiracy theorists.

Perhaps the real divide lies between being London centric and the Shires. Impact being far more noticable at a local level.

gfplux

phillw wrote: »

Overturning democracy with more democracy is normal, grow up.



Tesla don't have any competition within the EU, if you want a Tesla you will buy a Tesla. If/when it becomes cost effective, they will build a factory in the EU (like when Japan companies built their factories here).

Tesla are run a little different from other car companies, because it's run by an insane rich man who doesn't seem interested in making money in the short term. The decisions they make are not applicable to traditional companies.

Most of the car production in the UK is not for high end cars, they are far more price sensitive. It's also not just the 10% EU tariff, but things like the extra costs incurred when they abandon just in time deliveries & if they can't hire people from the EU as easily anymore. When the UK built cars are next to EU built cars on a forecourt and the UK built cars have a higher price, then it's pretty likely someone would choose the EU built cars. The car companies then have a choice, earn less money or move the factory. I expect they'll move the factory, because they don't care that the minority of people in the UK who pulled us out of the EU can't understand the concept of cause and effect.

3000 cars a week isn't a huge number, we export 15000 a week.

The tariff isn't punitive, if we decided to trade with them on WTO terms then they will have no choice. WTO terms however are incompatible with a soft border in Ireland.

It appears you don't understand what "remainers tell us".



200 to 117, which by my calculation is ~63%, so you were a little out.

I think the calling of the confidence vote was tactical, she's safe from ERG for a year. We don't know if all the MPs who called for the vote wanted to get her out or whether some wanted to keep her in. Labour will be calling a no confidence vote for the government next.

I'm not convinced she wanted to win, she tried her hardest to lose the last election & somehow she just keeps being elected.

While I agree with most of your post I am not sure I agree that Tesla have no competition within the EU.

The Jaguar I Pace looks a formidable competitor and it is built in Austria.

qwert_yuiop

cogito wrote: »

The only people wanting a second referendum are those who refuse to accept the result of the first one.

There is a very small chance of a second one, but if there is, it will be a joy to watch those who have been calling leavers thick, ignorant, xenophobic gammons for the past two and a half years trying to persuade these people to support them.

I’d say it’d be a good idea to bet on a Remain vote in a further referendum. What else can possibly happen? The Teresa deal can not pass - we know that now - and otherwise it’s the unthinkable hard brexit. Therefore it’s delay, followed by new referendum. You may not want it - what is the alternative, not involving chaos?

It’s 3/1 at Ladbrokes. Worth a few thousand - get in now.

Wenlock

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

I’d say it’d be a good idea to bet on a Remain vote in a further referendum. What else can possibly happen? The Teresa deal can not pass - we know that now - and otherwise it’s the unthinkable hard brexit. Therefore it’s delay, followed by new referendum. You may not want it - what is the alternative, not involving chaos?

It’s 3/1 at Ladbrokes. Worth a few thousand - get in now.

In a further referendum I cannot see anything other than a Remain win. Not because I think views have changed but:

A) We have already voted to leave and it is clear that the UK Parliament is unwilling to implement that decision. Who is going to bother to vote again when it is clear that only a Remain vote will be accepted?

Will there even be a proper Brexit option or will it just be May’s deal v Remain? Unlikely that anyone will lead or run a leave campaign unless there is an actual leave option.

I would imagine the turnout would be way below 50% and therefore the referendum would be seen as lacking any legitimacy.

cogito

Theophile wrote: »

There's no point trying to persuade brexit extremists as they are beyond reason, a bit like flat earthers or conspiracy theorists.


The ones that will need persuading are those poor souls who swallowed the lies peddled by Leave back in 2016. Stuff like Turkey is about to join the EU, brexit will give 350m to the NHS, brexit will sort the potholes and save the great british curry and all that nonsense.


But I agree that the chance of a 2nd ref is small.

There's equally no point in trying to persuade remain extremists either as they too are beyond reason.

They too need persuading like those who say that there will be no EU army or the other lies peddled by the remain camp.

You see - both sides can play this game.

There are a few extremists on both sides but most people are reasonably sensible.

Anyway, it matters not. Since Remainer May became prime minister, she has surrounded herself with the likes of Olly Robbins and others whose sole objective has been to keep us as closely aligned to the EU as possible and they appear to have succeeded in delivering Brino.

You've won after all so why would you need another referendum?

qwert_yuiop

cogito wrote: »

You've won after all so why would you need another referendum?

Brexit in name only, if that’s what we’ve got, is truly daft - all the EU rules without any influence. Madness.
No, the only route out of this mess is to cancel brexit now.

qwert_yuiop

Wenlock wrote: »

In a further referendum I cannot see anything other than a Remain win. Not because I think views have changed but:

A) We have already voted to leave and it is clear that the UK Parliament is unwilling to implement that decision. Who is going to bother to vote again when it is clear that only a Remain vote will be accepted?

Will there even be a proper Brexit option or will it just be May’s deal v Remain? Unlikely that anyone will lead or run a leave campaign unless there is an actual leave option.

I would imagine the turnout would be way below 50% and therefore the referendum would be seen as lacking any legitimacy.

A - everyone.

I’d say the turnout will be enormous.

LHW99

No, the only route out of this mess is to cancel brexit now.

Or do nothing and leave by default.

qwert_yuiop

LHW99 wrote: »

Or do nothing and leave by default.

AKA crashing out. Why would anyone want to do a thing like that? What possible benefit would there be?

Psychiatrists call it self harm.

LHW99

What possible benefit would there be?

It would end the arguments about what sort of Brexit we ought to have. It might concentrate the minds of politicians on all sides of the House. It would definately end any uncertainty for business.....