Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

StevieJ

spadoosh wrote: »

Its amazing weve not seen another party pop up.

I had hoped to see a more libertarian party (or the libertarian party) come to attention but it appears were still stuck with red or blue. Even though time and time again both parties fail on their promises.

Big government, nanny state, bureaucracy and lack of autonomy. This is what brexit is about. Its hard to think that a libertarian approach wouldnt offer solutions for this.



https://libertarianpartyuk.com/

Maybe for you ? It is difficult to believe that the 33% of Labour voters that backed Brexit had such motives in mind.

Filo25

spadoosh wrote: »

Too true, still British politics does seem at least very ruptured at the moment.

It does, I think there are probably a lot of people on all parts of the political spectrum who don't feel particularly represented at present.

Under FPTP though it is all too easy to just get voted in by being the vote against Tories/Labour rather than on any positive merits of the candidate or party they represent.

In my seat the new Labour candidate just talks most of the time about getting IDS out rather than coming forward with any particularly good reasons to vote for them or Labour at present.

Coming from Northern Ireland where that attitude is endemic on both sides of the political/religious divide, I don't think that is a particularly healthy attitude to have.

andrewf75

A massive shake up in British politics is one of the positives of Brexit IMO.

Although it obviously comes with risks.

spadoosh

StevieJ wrote: »

Maybe for you ? It is difficult to believe that the 33% of Labour voters that backed Brexit had such motives in mind.

I dont know i cant help but think that most labour voters vote labour to prevent a tory government and most tory voters vote tory to prevent a labour government.

Labour has moved more socialist and whilst i understand the ethical reasons behind it unfettered socialism removes all power from the individual. Do people want to be dictated to? The passion and involvement surrounding brexit suggests otherwise.


All that said, you can please some of the people some of the time, you cant please all the people all the time. At least with the libertarian approach those unhappy should only have themselves to blame.

andrewf75

I think on the whole people are more economically left wing and more socially right wing than the current establishment.

Thrugelmir

spadoosh wrote: »

I dont know i cant help but think that most labour voters vote labour to prevent a tory government and most tory voters vote tory to prevent a labour government.

Blair proved that the middle ground was winnable for labour. Just requires the right approach.

lisyloo

Just requires the right approach.

Did you mean right-wing side of the party or right as in correct?
I think it's only winnanble (and the blair facts back this up) if the leader if from the right side of the party.
I'd vote for chuka Umunna - such a shame he dropped out.

ukcarper

lisyloo wrote: »

Did you mean right-wing side of the party or right as in correct?
I think it's only winnanble (and the blair facts back this up) if the leader if from the right side of the party.
I'd vote for chuka Umunna - such a shame he dropped out.

Might have voted for him in past but not now as I don't like his stance on brexit I believe he has show himself to be dishonest as after voting for referendum and to trigger article 50 he now spends most of his time campaigning for another referendum.

Arklight

spadoosh wrote: »

I dont know i cant help but think that most labour voters vote labour to prevent a tory government and most tory voters vote tory to prevent a labour government.

Labour has moved more socialist and whilst i understand the ethical reasons behind it unfettered socialism removes all power from the individual. Do people want to be dictated to? The passion and involvement surrounding brexit suggests otherwise.


All that said, you can please some of the people some of the time, you cant please all the people all the time. At least with the libertarian approach those unhappy should only have themselves to blame.

Communism removes power from the individual, socialism redistributes power from the elites to the populous.

Do people want to be dictated to? No I don't. I'm tired of a small cabal of super rich, a majority of whom can trace their ancestry back to a foreign aristocracy that arrived with William the Conqueror. Who eventually set up the Tory Party to represent their interests in parliament.

That's why I vote Labour.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Blair proved that the middle ground was winnable for labour. Just requires the right approach.

Generally I would rail against a pro Blairite post. But, it's true that the worst point of the Blair administration was better than the summation of the high points of the last 5 Tory premierships.

Frankly, anything is better than the Tories being in power.