Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

andrewf75

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Complete stitch up if the three options are WTO, May's deal and remain and it's a winner takes all vote, given that there will be two leave options on the ballet compared to one remain.

Yeah I can’t see 3 options working, it just hands the win to remain. It would be 2 only, the question is will it be May’s deal v remain or WTO v remain? Either way, it still probably hands the win to remain, which of course is why leavers absolutely oppose it!

It’s a crazy situation. The only thing there is probably a majority for is remain and while I don’t think its fair to have another vote and I have always completely accepted the result, if no-one can deliver Brexit then there is no other option.

Not that this would solve it of course. We’d have Farage as PM at the next election!

The only thing certain is that this will continue to divide and damage the country for a generation or more.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

The only fair way I can see to do it is a second vote with two rounds, transferable vote or similar, for example...

1. Do you want to Leave or Remain?

- Leave

- Remain


2. If the UK votes to Leave, do you prefer...

- Leaving the Political Union of the EU, leaving the Common Fisheries and Common Agricultural Policies, but staying inside the Single Market for goods and services, known as the EFTA or EEA options, which would require some continued movement of workers and continuing to accept around 20% of EU regulations

- Leaving everything to do with the EU and also the single market for goods and services, which would add material friction to trade with the EU, however would enable a so called 'clean break Brexit', otherwise known as the WTO or CETA options

andrewf75

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The only fair way I can see to do it is a second vote with two rounds, transferable vote or similar, for example...

If you did it that way, we've already done stage 1

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

andrewf75 wrote: »

If you did it that way, we've already done stage 1

No harm double checking....;)

Herzlos

Indeed to harm in double checking if we are holding the ballot anyway.


I'll be happy enough with a WTO Vs Mays vote though.

MaxiRobriguez wrote: »

Complete stitch up if the three options are WTO, May's deal and remain and it's a winner takes all vote, given that there will be two leave options on the ballet compared to one remain.

Yet Leavers will say there are 2 remain options.


The 3 way split is the reason why we need STV - that way you vote for your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice. So if you want Mays, then WTO, if Mays loses your vote counts towards WTO, and then the least-worst option wins.

A_Pandiculation

*Shock alert*
Remainer would be happy to remain legally tied to the EU.
:rotfl:

Whatever else happens, from the way it looks so far it's pretty safe to say that history will be scathing towards May's administration and to those that put a remainer in charge of taking Britain out of the EU following the referendum..

Crashy_Time

Any time I have seen a discussion program on TV recently where a second ref. is mentioned, all the politicians in the room look deeply uncomfortable, the reason is that overturning this overturns everything they want to be seen to stand for, so for that reason it just isn`t going to happen.

sevenhills

Crashy_Time wrote: »

Any time I have seen a discussion program on TV recently where a second ref. is mentioned, all the politicians in the room look deeply uncomfortable, the reason is that overturning this overturns everything they want to be seen to stand for, so for that reason it just isn`t going to happen.

But if Labour can blame the Tories for this mess?


I don't really know which will be the worst, this deal or another referendum, I will accept the deal, to get on with making ourcountry great again!

sevenhills

Herzlos wrote: »

The 3 way split is the reason why we need STV - that way you vote for your 1st, 2nd, 3rd choice. So if you want Mays, then WTO, if Mays loses your vote counts towards WTO, and then the least-worst option wins.

The Tories wont like that, it might force them towards PR for general elections. PR is one of the best things the EU have brought to our election processes.

sevenhills

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

- Leaving everything to do with the EU and also the single market for goods and services, which would add material friction to trade with the EU, however would enable a so called 'clean break Brexit', otherwise known as the WTO or CETA options

But tariffs remain a feature of trading under WTO rules and the EU charges a range of tariffs depending on the product or service. For example, the tariff on food products and beverages imported into the EU is 21% of the value of a shipment. The UK’s fishing exports to the EU would be subject to a 9.6% tariff under WTO-only rules. Clothes manufactured in the UK and exported to the EU would be subject to an 11% tariff.


That is not what people voted for.