Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

wunferall

Filo25 wrote: »

If you actually believe that I suspect you would be very disappointed by the result of such a legal action

Really?
No, methinks the ones disappointed would be the EU and EUrophiles here.

EU: "You owe us ..."
UK: "What for? You won't accommodate us or even try to reach a deal AND you owe the UK £ billions for our holdings in and share of EU assets built during years of membership PLUS the return of capital held by the ECB and others."

phillw

wunferall wrote: »

Well the EU are already upsetting France with their proposed changes.

Your grubby enthusiasm is telling.

ilovehouses wrote: »

Now we're going to get a deal because of some straw clutching about the EU being legally obliged to offer a deal that meets our satisfaction.

They don't have to give us a deal, they have to negotiate a future trading arrangement which they are doing. It looks like at the moment it will be purely as a third country under WTO rules, which is the preferred option of the unelected leader of the UK, Reese Mogg.

Negotiating doesn't require them to give us anything we want.

ukcarper

wunferall wrote: »

Well the EU are already upsetting France with their proposed changes.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-france-trade/france-fumes-at-proposed-post-brexit-eu-sea-trade-links-idUKKBN1KW0KB

What many people seem to forget is that the EU is made up of independent countries and they will all fight for thier own interested. It will be interesting to see how that effect the final result of talks, I think some of it will be in UKs favour while other parts will be against.

Filo25

wunferall wrote: »

Really?
No, methinks the ones disappointed would be the EU and EUrophiles here.

EU: "You owe us ..."
UK: "What for? You won't accommodate us or even try to reach a deal AND you owe the UK £ billions for our holdings in and share of EU assets built during years of membership PLUS the return of capital held by the ECB and others."

The EU have offered us options similar to negotiations with any other counterparty, we just don't think any of them are quite good enough for our delusions of how utterly special we are compared to every other country in the world.

You can argue about the financials if you want but it isn't the main show here, the long term relationship is the important bit.

I live in the UK so would quite like us to get a "good deal" amazingly, not likely to happen when our government is more interesting in negotiating and compromising with its various factions rather than actually deciding what credible option it wants to work towards.

kabayiri

On a general note, why should an individual like myself be worried if more Irish product goes by sea to the EU marketplace, be it via French or Dutch ports etc?

Maybe it would reduce road congestion here..

phillw

ukcarper wrote: »

I think some of it will be in UKs favour while other parts will be against.

They have 27 countries to keep happy inside the EU and one country who has decided that we're not going to be happy whatever they do & is leaving.

Which of those 28 countries do you think they'll make compromise for the good of the EU for?

kabayiri wrote: »

Maybe it would reduce road congestion here..

It's unlikely that it will reduce compared to now. But it might make it easier post brexit when the motorways are turned into lorry parks & the roads get full of holiday makers who can no longer afford to travel abroad.

wunferall

ilovehouses wrote: »

We were going to get a sweet deal, they need us more than we need them, easiest deal in history.

Now we're going to get a deal because of some straw clutching about the EU being legally obliged to offer a deal that meets our satisfaction.

They do say that pride comes before a fall.

We were going to see WWIII just for voting leave with millions of jobs lost, an immediate recession and an emergency budget .......... and you talk of "pride before a fall".
:rotfl:
With record employment, huge levels of FDI and M&A, and UK households seeing the fastest growth in their incomes for over 9 years (hence today's news that spending is up) we'll have more of that "fall" please!

ukcarper

phillw wrote: »

They have 27 countries to keep happy inside the EU and one country who has decided that we're not going to be happy whatever they do & is leaving.

Which of those 28 countries do you think they'll make compromise for the good of the EU for

As as far as I understand it all countries have to agree so it will have to take notice of all of them.

You are just as bad as the extreme brexiters you clearly despise, I voted remain and believe leaving especially with no deal will be detrimental but I don't think the world will come to an end as we know it although there could be some serious short term problems.

Filo25

wunferall wrote: »

We were going to see WWIII just for voting leave with millions of jobs lost, an immediate recession and an emergency budget .......... and you talk of "pride before a fall".
:rotfl:
With record employment, huge levels of FDI and M&A, and UK households seeing the fastest growth in their incomes for over 9 years (hence today's news that spending is up) we'll have more of that "fall" please!

Out of interest who said we would have WWIII due to leaving the EU?

wunferall

phillw wrote: »

Your grubby enthusiasm is telling.



They don't have to give us a deal, they have to negotiate a future trading arrangement which they are doing. It looks like at the moment it will be purely as a third country under WTO rules, which is the preferred option of the unelected leader of the UK, Reese Mogg.

Negotiating doesn't require them to give us anything we want.

Your grubby EUrophilia is telling.

It is purely down to the EU that a WTO Brexit is looking increasingly likely, as many predicted from the beginning.
You said it yourself; "they have to negotiate" - NOT "they have to dismiss and ignore".