Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

Sniping between politicians is certainly a waste of time.



How long should the EU sit on a garbage proposal before rejecting it? Why should the EU waste time trying to placate a group that doesn't hold any of the cards or know what it wants?

Bear in mind everyone already knew that this one would be rejected and why - both for the EU and Eurosceptics.


Though to be honest I don't think there is an option that'd gain a majority support in the UK or be acceptable to the EU, unless a 2nd referendum gave a remain result.


Brexit means too many things to too many people, is hugely contradictory and Mays red lines make things significantly worse. I'd go so far as claiming that it's not possible. If it was, we'd have managed to come up with something by now.

I'm not sure you are right but if you are I fear we will leave without a deal, although I haven't given up all hope of a deal being reach as last minute deals seem to be EUs normal way of working.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

And you think that you do?

If one side repeatedly rejects every proposal, the time has to come when the side being rejected has to say 'ok, we tried. No point in wasting more time. Come to us if you have any ideas. Meanwhile, you can forget about your €39bn'

Seems reasonable to openly plan for an exit without a deal. It's not like the EU have a rule where they can't offer something after March '19.

fatbeetle

Project fear, is there no bottom to their barrel?

A no-deal Brexit could increase the risk of a Europe-wide pandemic, according to the British Medical Association.

The doctors union warned in a new briefing paper shared with The Independent on Thursday that crashing out of the EU without a deal will leave the UK more vulnerable to outbreaks of deadly infectious diseases.

It says that the UK!!!8217;s ability to coordinate responses to emerging threats, such as the current outbreak of measles or seasonal flu, will be seriously undermined, making it harder to stop infections spreading across borders.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-no-deal-nhs-pandemic-bma-final-say-voters-referendum-a8493221.html

When Brexit opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, !!!8220;Come!!!!8221; 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

Filo25

kabayiri wrote: »

Seems reasonable to openly plan for an exit without a deal. It's not like the EU have a rule where they can't offer something after March '19.

I'm sure they can offer something after then, I just wouldn't expect it to look radically different to what they were offering before that date, that is tweaks to one of their existing trade models rather than creating some wonderful bespoke deal for us.

mayonnaise

cogito wrote: »

And you think that you do?

If one side repeatedly rejects every proposal, the time has to come when the side being rejected has to say 'ok, we tried. No point in wasting more time. Come to us if you have any ideas. Meanwhile, you can forget about your €39bn'

This must have been mentioned about a dozen times already but I'll give it another go.
The 39bn is NOT a payment to secure any kind of deal. It's to cover liabilities, pensions, future commitments we already signed up for, etc...

mayonnaise

fatbeetle wrote: »

Project fear, is there no bottom to their barrel?

Yeah it's a tough call.
Who to believe? Qualified professionals from the BMA or fatbeetle from MSE? :think:

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

It's the norm for all politicians. If you agree a deal before the deadline you probably weren't negotiating hard enough.

It's a better look to emerge at 4 in the morning on the day after the deadline day following a 28 hour negotiating session.

Looks being the operative word.

Ballard

mayonnaise wrote: »

This must have been mentioned about a dozen times already but I'll give it another go.
The 39bn is NOT a payment to secure any kind of deal. It's to cover liabilities, pensions, future commitments we already signed up for, etc...

I didn’t think that it was that difficult concept to grasp but it would appear to be elusive to some. Some people seem to feel that not paying what have mutually agreed to be our liabilities wouldn’t have a negative effect on our world standing.

fatbeetle

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yeah it's a tough call.
Who to believe? Qualified professionals from the BMA or fatbeetle from MSE? :think:

Did you actually read the report?

lisyloo

So to sum up, if it's impossible to come to agreement and we cannot politically go against the will of the people, is it looking likely that we'll leave without a deal?
If this happens what will be the short-term impacts?