Brexit the economy and house prices part 6

kabayiri

ilovehouses wrote: »

Davis arrived at the first day of negotiations with no notes and only a month after a snap general election.
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:rotfl:

It wasn't a good look, in truth.

However, on the radio after the Chequers shenanigans, he had some detail when he picked apart May's approach.

Still...all in the past now.

ukcarper

Herzlos wrote: »

In your opinion. You're at least as biased as the rest of us.






I just don't see playing to the upper hand as being badly behaved. They haven't threatened us, or bullied us, they've just remained consistently assertive about their position.

They are happy with the fallback positions, and are clear about what they will/won't accept. They have no obligation to bend to any of our crazy and impractical suggestions.


To some, that unwillingness to give in is viewed as being rude or bullying, but in reality it's exactly the same as if anyone is trying to negotiate with a toddler, and a fundamental misunderstanding that negotiation doesn't require meeting in the middle if there's such an imbalance of power.

K
It's a shame that people believed the lies about the Brexit negotiations being the easiest in history - that doesn't even pass the sniff test once married up with Mays red lines.

I certainly not as bias as many people on here I voted remain and would have preferred it if remain had won. But I accept the result and realise both side have their faults, I don't want to crash out with no deal but my fear is we will because EU seem unprepared to budge an inch and that won't be good for both sides.

ukcarper

mayonnaise wrote: »

What? :rotfl:
You're one of the most biased posters on here. Below a snippet where you blame remain supporters for the mess the brexiteers got us in.

I don't see how that shows I am bias, I only stated the fact that the government which are mainly remain supporters only call referendum because they mistakenly though they would win. I was extremely worried when they called referendum because I had a very good idea what would happen. If they believe as they clearly do that leaving EU will be bad for us they should have not have called a referendum, remember almost all MPs voted for referendum.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

From being around here you might get the idea that it's high risk because you're being told it's a threat to democracy and it's hinted that there would be civil unrest and the like.

Then remember you're being told that by people on the fringe who are selling their own book. Most of the people telling you that either have or do vote UKIP - UKIP supporters are way over represented on this forum compared to the population at large.

It's time to stop worrying about what you think the fringe thought they were voting for or what they want. Most people, whatever they voted for, are thoroughly sick of the whole charade.

It's most people that matter NOW in a democracy - not the most people of yesteryear.

I don't think there will be civil unrest but I do think the trust in politicians will be severely damaged. I know plenty of people who will not be happy if they call another referendum, even though I voted remain I wouldn't be particularly happy because as far as I can see all it will achieve is more division.

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

I wouldn't be particularly happy either - we employ public servants to serve and this lot haven't been up to the job.

I don't think trust particularly comes into it - politicians hardly feature at the top of most people's trustworthy occupations list. Yes , it would mean even more time navel gazing, arguing and division (about immigration) but if a government can't govern they either need to sort themselves out or let people choose another.

Maybe we get a better one, maybe we don't - that's how it works.

I think the chances of getting a better government are quite slim, there seems to be a severe lack of competent politicians.

cogito

ilovehouses wrote: »

I wouldn't be particularly happy either - we employ public servants to serve and this lot haven't been up to the job.

I don't think trust particularly comes into it - politicians hardly feature at the top of most people's trustworthy occupations list. Yes , it would mean even more time navel gazing, arguing and division (about immigration) but if a government can't govern they either need to sort themselves out or let people choose another.

Maybe we get a better one, maybe we don't - that's how it works.

Which public servants? Our elected representatives or the civil servants who have become accustomed to their cushy numbers where counterparts in Brussels do their work for them and are so alarmed at the prospect of having to do some work that they will do everything they can to frustrate the result of the referendum?

ukcarper

ilovehouses wrote: »

Well there's absolutely zero chance of getting a better government if nothing happens.

If we have another general election the most likely outcome is a hung parliament and we will be left in the same situation we are now if Tories win largest number of seats or if its Labour we will be at mercy of SNP.

Mum_of_1

ukcarper wrote: »

If we have another general election the most likely outcome is a hung parliament and we will be left in the same situation we are now if Tories win largest number of seats or if its Labour we will be at mercy of SNP.

If Brexit isn't accomplished to the satisfaction of the British Public (and I'm not advocating any particular stance here, just pointing out that many on both sides of the Brexit debate would be extremely unhappy if the result of a vote were not adhered to) I think any general election would very obviously leave the door open to either a resurgent UKIP or some newly-formed alternative.
Both the disorganised state and in-fighting in both the major parties makes that even more likely IMHO.

Thrugelmir

Mum_of_1 wrote: »

If Brexit isn't accomplished to the satisfaction of the British Public (and I'm not advocating any particular stance here, just pointing out that many on both sides of the Brexit debate would be extremely unhappy if the result of a vote were not adhered to) I think any general election would very obviously leave the door open to either a resurgent UKIP or some newly-formed alternative.
Both the disorganised state and in-fighting in both the major parties makes that even more likely IMHO.

The polarised state of European elections is a clear indication of what might lie ahead. While Sweden is most certainly pro EU. There's huge discontent over issues such as immigration, increasing levels of gang crime etc. Next months elections will give a clearer picture.

Herzlos

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/15/chris-grayling-has-no-credible-plan-no-deal-brexit-road-hauliers/

Hauliers seem unimpressed with plans for transit post Brexit. Grayling seems.unawarevthat it'll even be interrupted.